Where did Sonic go Wrong?

[SonicFan47]

Title is the title of the article.

From IGN:

February 20, 2009 - Few gaming icons are as fashionable to scorn as Sonic the Hedgehog. Poking fun of werehogs is an easy sport, to be sure. But his last few adventures, including the recent Sonic Unleashed, have fallen short of his celebrated original run -- at least by reputation. Some critics claim Sonic never really survived the jump to 3D and exists today only on the fumes of nostalgic good will. Others think the trouble started much earlier, when Sonic raced along so fast that nobody noticed the ground had run out beneath his trademark red sneakers.

IGN Insider's Michael Thomsen goes so far to decree the whole franchise a sham from the beginning, saying "Our fondness for Sonic is a generational illusion."

Sonic in 1991
Sonic the Hedgehog was created by designer Naoto Oshima, now president of development studio Artoon. Oshima responded to a call from SEGA management wanting a mascot to replace Alex Kidd and compete with Nintendo's Mario, who was at the time synonymous with the entire videogame industry in the same way Pac-Man was in the early eighties. His hedgehog hero was picked from a number of competing designs and then assigned to Yuji Naka and Hirokazu Yasuhara as the central figure for a new action platformer series.

The big difference between Sonic and Mario was speed. SEGA even coined the marketing term "blast processing" to create an aura of performance that Super Mario World, the white-hot first Super NES entry in the Super Mario canon, could somehow not match. Other than the rocket ship velocity and an injection of "attitude" to make Sonic hipper than the comparatively staid Mario, the two games are really not all that dissimilar. Thomsen boils it does to this:

"You collect rings, stomp on enemies' heads, and fight a boss every now and again. You just do it at a faster speed than Mario. Instead of character altering powerups to give you a mulligan if you get hit by an enemy you just lose coins, er, rings."

Sonic was about one thing: speed.

If you go back now and play the original Sonic the Hedgehog for the Genesis, it is impossible to deny the essential truth to this. And it is doubtful SEGA would either. Sonic is a reactionary force to Mario. There are organic elements to his games, though. The villain, Dr. Robotnik (later Eggman), is a pretty clever riff on Teddy Roosevelt. The Chaos Emeralds that Sonic quests for just has a cool ring to it. The level design in the original game is especially strong, with well plotted stages full of exciting real estate, like the loops that Sonic races through when he's going full bore.

Regardless of the purity of intent behind Sonic the Hedgehog, SEGA fans ate it up to the tune of approximately four million copies. The original Sonic the Hedgehog was a massive success for the Genesis and the console's success in North America is rightfully attributed in large part to the embrace of the new mascot. Perhaps some of Sonic's success can be assigned to SEGA fans just wanting a mascot to glom on to and hold up to their Nintendo-owning friends in schoolyard videogame debates. But it was a bracing experience the first time you roared through a stage at full speed or brought down one of Robotnik's metal monsters.

Charles Onyett, editor on the IGN PC team remembers, "You ran incredibly fast while killing and collecting. If you played enough and learned all the paths through the stage, you'd collect better stuff while continuing to go really fast. Then you'd tell the story to your friends, talking about the ramps you sped up and around, of the shortcuts you'd found, overwhelmed with the thrill of it all. That's what Sonic was to me, that's why I loved it."

Tails
No surprise then that with millions of fans having a similar experience to Onyett, SEGA immediately powered forward with a sequel. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 appeared in late 1992, only a year after the franchise debuted. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 was an instant success, outselling the original game by almost two million units. By this point, the formula was set in cement and SEGA wasted zero time moving on to the inevitable Sonic the Hedgehog 3.

SEGA waited to release Sonic the Hedgehog 3 until 1994, bridging the gap instead with two Sonic spin-offs in 1993: Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine and Sonic Spinball. The extra development time was not necessarily used to alter the formula, though. Sonic the Hedgehog 3, save for a few exceptions like bonus stages, plays largely like the first game. And the sequel. In fact, the stage design in Sonic the Hedgehog 3 is not generally viewed as the strongest in the series.

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Does this bug anyone else?

[Super Empra]

IGN are stupid.They even Sonic 06 a higher score than Sonic unleashed. They gave SA2 a higher score than SA2B when we all know SA2B is better.

[Shadow84786]

IGN are stupid.They even Sonic 06 a higher score than Sonic unleashed. They gave SA2 a higher score than SA2B when we all know SA2B is better.

IGN are stupid they do bad reviews on video games like Sonic Unleashed, you should look at the 360 review they did.

[revenger]

Yes, I agree, IGN are stupid.

[Shadow84786]

Yes, I agree, IGN are stupid.

They gave Sonic and the black knight a 3/10 and it didn't even come out yet.

[SonicFan47]

They gave Sonic and the black knight a 3/10 and it didn't even come out yet.

It didn't?
I thought that it came out on March 3rd for America (which was yesterday, when I found this on IGN.com)...

[Hakudamashi]

IGNorant

puns are made for a reason
lol look at the comments for that article XD
We are not alone 

[Skyle369]

IGN doesent use their brains enough.

[ChaosDazer]

Sonic didn't go wrong, Eggman just screwed him up for a bit.

[Tavy]

They gave Sonic and the black knight a 3/10 and it didn't even come out yet.

lol, IGN are such cheaters! XD Even more than mah!

[UberTails]

You do have to admit the 3D Sonic games have declined after the release of the sequel to Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2.

Nowadays, it's a mashed-up storybook adventure or something involving a werewolf/hedgehog mixbreed with horrendous RPG elements added.

Plus, Sonic Unleashed had made a disgrace to the 2D side-scroller name. Why? By inducing death-traps, fat robots firing undodgeable lasers, and making you swing off vines with physics that didn't match reality.

Yet this is all my opinion.

[NeoMetalSonic]

hopefully Sega will maybe sell Sonic to Nintendo so Nintendo can make good Sonic games

[Hakudamashi]

hopefully Sega will maybe sell Sonic to Nintendo so Nintendo can make good Sonic games

That is IGN's and ever other Game reviewers plot to make Nintendo even better and take over the gaming world

C'MON SEGA!!!!DON'T GIVE UP!!!!!!

[Super Empra]

That is IGN's and ever other Game reviewers plot to make Nintendo even better and take over the gaming world

C'MON SEGA!!!!DON'T GIVE UP!!!!!!

Nintendo have probably already done that with the Wii and DS. Its sells much more than any console including PS3 and 360 combined. SEGA are even going to publish one of the Wii's bestest games, The Conduit.

[Hakudamashi]

Nintendo have probably already done that with the Wii and DS. Its sells much more than any console including PS3 and 360 combined. SEGA are even going to publish one of the Wii's bestest games, The Conduit.

And who do we have to thank for that

[Dracoslythe]

Moral of the story:
IGN is made up of stupid f***s who wouldn't know a good video game if it raped them.
&&
Nintendo has already won the gaming world with the DS an the Wii.  There's no denying that.

Thank you for your few minutes of time.
kthnxbai
<3

[ChaosDazer]

Rofl at the rape part.

Well, I actually wish Mario would step out of the limelight. It's Sonic's turn, really.

[Hakudamashi]

Rofl at the rape part.

Well, I actually wish Mario would step out of the limelight. It's Sonic's turn, really.

Tell that to the 9000 upon 9000 of fanboys

[Supersonic274]

IGN are stupid they do bad reviews on video games like Sonic Unleashed, you should look at the 360 review they did.

The reviewer can't event play the game correctly. Probably died three times after playing the first level and made Unleashed seem bad.

[SonicFan47]

The reviewer can't event play the game correctly. Probably died three times after playing the first level and made Unleashed seem bad.

I think that your statement needs to be corrected.

The reviewers can't even play games. Probably died three times.

That's better.

[Supersonic274]

I think that your statement needs to be corrected.That's better.

Well I put it singular as I've only seen IGN play it and it looked like the same player over and over.

[panjr0809]

im startin to hate ign now

[Crazy_mofo213]

They gave Sonic and the black knight a 3/10 and it didn't even come out yet.

Many Magazines and Review sites get early copies of games so they can review them before thier official launch.
IGN is just plain stupid. They've decided to jump on the "sonic sucks!" bandwagon that many reviewers are currently riding.

[Hakudamashi]

Many Magazines and Review sites get early copies of games so they can review them before thier official launch.
IGN is just plain stupid. They've decided to jump on the "sonic sucks!" bandwagon that many reviewers are currently riding.

The wagon is too big if ya ask me 

[Crazy_mofo213]

The wagon is too big if ya ask me 

It sure is. Now a days only games that include over the top violence and guns are really praised by reviewers. Not all games like that are bad, but some games tend to be over rated. I mean I understand Sonic isn't at his prime right now, but his games aren't as bad as they make them out to be. Unfrotunately, the people who read thier biased reviews take thier word for it and develop the mind set that Sonic just "fails".

[Craig@Game]

IGN are stupid.They even Sonic 06 a higher score than Sonic unleashed. They gave SA2 a higher score than SA2B when we all know SA2B is better.

i know, 06 was the BIGGEST SONIC FLOP IN HISTORY!!! HOW CAN IT GET A HIGHER SCORE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Super Empra]

i know, 06 was the BIGGEST SONIC FLOP IN HISTORY!!! HOW CAN IT GET A HIGHER SCORE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I think shadow the hedgehog was worse.

[Hakudamashi]

Sonic Drift was the real worst of all >_>

The only one that could possibly be worse than Drift,is Sonic the Hedgehog(GBA)

[Kristomaster]

The guys on IGN just can't rate games, and we shouldn't make a rating decide if sonic is good or not, it is for ourselves to find out! But the one time when SEGA really did fail was when they made Sonic Drift.

[Hakudamashi]

The guys on IGN just can't rate games, and we shouldn't make a rating decide if sonic is good or not, it is for ourselves to find out! But the one time when SEGA really did fail was when they made Sonic Drift.

ppl can't realize the epicness of Sonic the Hedgehog
its not all about Games ya know

[SonicFan47]

ppl can't realize the epicness of Sonic the Hedgehog
its not all about Games ya know

I agree with you, but could you please explain?

[Hakudamashi]

I agree with you, but could you please explain?

ppl only focus on Sonic's games and say he must die
Nobody cares about the comics,the 3 cartoons,or the 1 anime
just his games -_-"

[darkness shadow]

ppl only focus on Sonic's games and say he must die
Nobody cares about the comics,the 3 cartoons,or the 1 anime
just his games -_-"

well, games is where he started, some people consider them as mear spin-offs, but one day, if people keep hating him like they are, he's gonna have to resort to one of them to keep sonic goin, he'll never truely die out...

[Hakudamashi]

well, games is where he started, some people consider them as mear spin-offs, but one day, if people keep hating him like they are, he's gonna have to resort to one of them to keep sonic goin, he'll never truely die out...

Therefore only Sonic fans can enjoy Sonic 
WE WIN
THEY LOSE!

[SonicFan47]

Therefore only Sonic fans can enjoy Sonic 
WE WIN
THEY LOSE!

I find it funny that the reviewers criticize the fans saying that "you've let a lot of bad games go", but if you think about it the people who buy the games the most (and most often) are none other than THE FANS!
Again proving that, quote

WE WIN
THEY LOSE!

[Hakudamashi]

I find it funny that the reviewers criticize the fans saying that "you've let a lot of bad games go", but if you think about it the people who buy the games the most (and most often) are none other than THE FANS!
Again proving that, quote

uuuummmm.....what?

[SonicFan47]

uuuummmm.....what?

The fans are who keep Sonic alive.
Always have, always will.

[Hakudamashi]

The fans are who keep Sonic alive.
Always have, always will.

true...you know WHAT?

Sonic the Hedgehog,is like a baby of overprotective parents.
When Sonic was born he was the #1 star everyone wanted,he did everything his parents(genesis junkies for future reference) wanted,and they were pleased.
But as Sonic grew up,he wanted to try new things,become different kinds of heroes in society,and be do more that 1 thing to be remembered for.He wanted to spread his wings and be more than just a sidescrolling mute animal that jumps.
But his intentions angered the parents,they wanted hm to stay as their little pleasing star for as long as they live...never changing....a long boring life.So with continuous yelling,shouting and rants,they try their hardest to keep their son to grow up to what they WANT him to be.
But his uncles&aunts(us)supported his idea to branch out,and with the kind words and enthusiasm,he carried on with his journey to be all the things he wants to be.
But now that he has carried on with his dream,his parents no longer accept him into their home of Genesis  land,and continue to try to convince him that he's making a big mistake and to come back under their rules.
But Sonic flicks them off and comes under our catering wing,where he can grow up and live the life HE wants.

.....what did I just say? 

[SonicFan47]

true...you know WHAT?

Sonic the Hedgehog,is like a baby of overprotective parents.
When Sonic was born he was the #1 star everyone wanted,he did everything his parents(genesis junkies for future reference) wanted,and they were pleased.
But as Sonic grew up,he wanted to try new things,become different kinds of heroes in society,and be do more that 1 thing to be remembered for.He wanted to spread his wings and be more than just a sidescrolling mute animal that jumps.
But his intentions angered the parents,they wanted hm to stay as their little pleasing star for as long as they live...never changing....a long boring life.So with continuous yelling,shouting and rants,they try their hardest to keep their son to grow up to what they WANT him to be.
But his uncles&aunts(us)supported his idea to branch out,and with the kind words and enthusiasm,he carried on with his journey to be all the things he wants to be.
But now that he has carried on with his dream,his parents no longer accept him into their home of Genesis  land,and continue to try to convince him that he's making a big mistake and to come back under their rules.
But Sonic flicks them off and comes under our catering wing,where he can grow up and live the life HE wants.

.....what did I just say? 

I gotcha.
So basically, Sonic moved out of the house, but we pay his rent.

[Hakudamashi]

I gotcha.
So basically, Sonic moved out of the house, but we pay his rent.

but its well worth it 

[KevChaos86]

I agree that the Sonic-hating bandwagon really needs to stop, but I do find it damned hard to like most post-SA2 Sonics. I know it's just idiot ignorance, but hearing all these bad reviews of the newer games has kept me from trying many of them. I tried one-level demos of Sonic 06 & Unleashed and assumed I was missing nothing. I did buy Sonic Chronicles on DS though, that was good. The last 3D Sonic I bought was Shadow's game... man, was that ever a disappointment. And just so you know, Sonic games were among the first video games I played...

[Super Empra]

People still like Sonic ya know...
Even after all of his so called bad games, he is still very popular. He is just as popular as he was 10 years ago.

[KevChaos86]

Oh, I know they do Empra. I still do as well... I personally just find it hard to since any of his games after Sonic Adventure 2 are less than his best, y'know?  And he may or may not be as popular as 10 years ago, but that's still not as good as back in his Genesis days... he was HUGE then.

I guess that's part of being a Sonic fan though... I've gotten used to it by now.

[darkness shadow]

yeah, as long as there are fans, no game character can die, and i'm pretty sure there will always be sonic fans... or at least till years after sega let go of sonic...

[Super Empra]

Basically I'm tryin to say that no matter how bad sonic games become. Sonic will never die or lose popularity. Infact he is probably getting more and more popular because SEGA is making Sonic games more appealing to everyone. The same would apply to mario or any other popular video game character.

[Hakudamashi]

Oh, I know they do Empra. I still do as well... I personally just find it hard to since any of his games after Sonic Adventure 2 are less than his best, y'know?  And he may or may not be as popular as 10 years ago, but that's still not as good as back in his Genesis days... he was HUGE then.

I guess that's part of being a Sonic fan though... I've gotten used to it by now.

I say Sonic Unleashed is waaaaay better than SA2 but w/e

[Super Empra]

I say Sonic Unleashed is waaaaay better than SA2 but w/e

Dats your opinion. At least the slow levels in SA2B were actually fun to play...

[Hakudamashi]

Dats your opinion. At least the slow levels in SA2B were actually fun to play...

The Werehog parts of SU alone is better than SA2 to me
We're all different.But some ppl just can't deal with it 

[SonicFan47]

We're all different.But some ppl just can't deal with it 

Well said, Wind!

[Kristomaster]

The Werehog parts of SU alone is better than SA2 to me
We're all different.But some ppl just can't deal with it 

+1 karma for you, couldn't have said it better myselves..

[Super Sonic Boom]

They went wrong after Sonic Adventure 2...Ryan Drummond's voice was bad in Sonic Heroes, the SEGA Dreamcast failed, contravery over the 4Kids cast taking over (it's fine with me), and SEGA is trying to compete with the other high rollers (Mario, Zelda, and Metroid)! The question is why... why did they mak-- no...LET SONIC GO DOWNHILL! 

[ultimate life form]

like i sed in a dif topic. mario fans. ign are mario fans. no, matter how stupid mario is they'll rate it higher than any other sonic games. SATBK has a talkin sword and ign rate it 3/10 and super mario sunshine has a talkin watergun i think and ign rated it 9.4/10. WTFH

[Hakudamashi]

They went wrong after Sonic Adventure 2...Ryan Drummond's voice was bad in Sonic Heroes, the SEGA Dreamcast failed, contravery over the 4Kids cast taking over (it's fine with me), and SEGA is trying to compete with the other high rollers (Mario, Zelda, and Metroid)! The question is why... why did they mak-- no...LET SONIC GO DOWNHILL! 

You work for IGN don't you

[Super Empra]

You work for IGN don't you

He could be a Nintendo executive in disguise. IGNorant is plain stupid. SATBK is speedy, the sword gameplay is fun. Who cares if it has nothing to do with the main sonic storyline? Its part of the storybook series so it doesn't need too.

[Super Sonic Boom]

You work for IGN don't you

NO I DO NOT...it is my opinion

[Hakudamashi]

NO I DO NOT...it is my opinion

I just highly disagree with it 

[skyrus5150]

I hate IGN they are stupid people who give the game a low score just becuz they cant play it well.

[Super Sonic Boom]

I just highly disagree with it 

THAT IS YOUR OPINION, IF YOU FAIL TO LISTEN TO ME THAN...I do not work for IGN! 

[Sonicdude]

IGN dont know what they are talking about

[Hakudamashi]

to answer the topic question:
Q.Where did Sonic go wrong?
A.Is it Sonic that went wrong?Or was it the standards of regular ppl?

[Tixxy]

IGN has no idea what they are talking about, SA2 is 10x as better as SA, and they still gave SA better ranks. The only thing in my opinion that ruined Sonic 06 was the LOADING, to much of it.

[Super Empra]

IGN has no idea what they are talking about, SA2 is 10x as better as SA, and they still gave SA better ranks. The only thing in my opinion that ruined Sonic 06 was the LOADING, to much of it.

not everyone thinks that SA2 is better...

[Tixxy]

not everyone thinks that SA2 is better...

True, but majority of the people voted on SA2

[ChaosDazer]

SA2 is better simply because of the chao.

[Hakudamashi]

IGN has no idea what they are talking about, SA2 is 10x as better as SA, and they still gave SA better ranks. The only thing in my opinion that ruined Sonic 06 was the LOADING, to much of it.

I like SA 10x better than SA2

[Tixxy]

I like SA 10x better than SA2

kk Wind =D. Sorry if my comment was too strong. I was a lil pissed off last night =D

[Hakudamashi]

kk Wind =D. Sorry if my comment was too strong. I was a lil pissed off last night =D

ok,no harm done

[JetTheHawk]

SA2 is better simply because of the chao.

Ya but SADX has chao also but i still think that sa2 is better

[Tixxy]

Ya but SADX has chao also but i still think that sa2 is better

If Sega did a remake of Sa2 and just did the graphic engineering they have, who knows what ranks that they can achieve.

[Hakudamashi]

If Sega did a remake of Sa2 and just did the graphic engineering they have, who knows what ranks that they can achieve.

Trust me,America will find SOMETHING to bitch about

[Super Empra]

Trust me,America will find SOMETHING to bitch about

forget america. there is still japan and europe.

[Tixxy]

I still think Sonic started going downhill with STH, not mostly cause of the stages and everything. But the anger management you need to beat the game. And the there was way too much loading in that game. Before you talk to the man, after you talk to the man, before the results screen, after the results screen. It was too overpowering.

[Hakudamashi]

forget america. there is still japan and europe.

but apparently only america's veiws count 
it like only THEY decide whether Sonic should be hated or not >.< its annoying




YOUR NOT THE ONLY GODDAMN COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!!!!

[Super Empra]

but apparently only america's veiws count 
it like only THEY decide whether Sonic should be hated or not >.< its annoying




YOUR NOT THE ONLY GODDAMN COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!!!!

Sonic was voted UKs most favourate video game character. I can't believe that mario didn't win! Japan is where sonic comes from so their views are most important.

[JetTheHawk]

but apparently only america's veiws count 
it like only THEY decide whether Sonic should be hated or not >.< its annoying




YOUR NOT THE ONLY GODDAMN COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!!!!

Yep and i agree with ya Does everyone In Jamaica Say Sonic is better?

[Hakudamashi]

Yep and i agree with ya Does everyone In Jamaica Say Sonic is better?

Yes 

Everyone non-american down here says Mario is childish and crap >.<

Sonic was voted UKs most favourate video game character. I can't believe that mario didn't win

Why?Mario fails

[SonicFan47]

Sonic was voted UKs most favourate video game character. I can't believe that mario didn't win! Japan is where sonic comes from so their views are most important.

Yep and i agree with ya Does everyone In Jamaica Say Sonic is better?

Yes 

Everyone non-american down here says Mario is childish and crap >.<
Why?Mario fails

Hey, guys?
Not to be rude, but could we please stop the nation-and-game-character bashing party, please?
Granted, America is/can be stuck on itself, and it's completely out of line. Our leaders have screwed up our nation, and anyone who wants to argue that can do so with me over the PM system.
As for Mario, "Everyone's entitled to an opinion."
                                -Montgomery Scott, Star Trek "The Trouble with Tribbles"

How did this point get so off-topic?

[Hakudamashi]

"Everyone's entitled to an opinion."
                                -Montgomery Scott, Star Trek "The Trouble with Tribbles"

America doesn't think so

dunno,the offtopicness just comes natural

[Tixxy]

The off topicness isn't intentional. It just happens when someone does state their opinion and numerous arguments and theory's start to just drift the users away from the topic =D

[RedCap-BlueSpikes]

BS, sonic is still cool its just people keep thinking this:

Sonic+Gimmick=shit
Sonic+Running=BEST GAYME EVAR LAWLZ
it makes me sick, sonic is still cool and people ALWAYS
spew that "Sonic has lost alot of fans over the years"
but they never talk about the MILLIONS hes gained!
also, ANOTHER thing that makes me sick is the whole
"Sonic has not had a single good game since SA2/SA2B"
but thats not true look at Sonic Unleashed Sonic Heroes
Sonic Advance 1 2 and 3 Sonic Rush 1 and 2 Sonic Rivals 2
Mario & Sonic 1 and soon to be 2(it has sonic in the title so its classifed as a sonic game)
Sonic And The Secret Rings(that game got high scores) ect. so saying sonic
has no good new games is complete and TOTAL BS.

[JetTheHawk]

BS, sonic is still cool its just people keep thinking this:

Sonic+Gimmick=shit
Sonic+Running=BEST GAYME EVAR LAWLZ
it makes me sick, sonic is still cool and people ALWAYS
spew that "Sonic has lost alot of fans over the years"
but they never talk about the MILLIONS hes gained!
also, ANOTHER thing that makes me sick is the whole
"Sonic has not had a single good game since SA2/SA2B"
but thats not true look at Sonic Unleashed Sonic Heroes
Sonic Advance 1 2 and 3 Sonic Rush 1 and 2 Sonic Rivals 2
Mario & Sonic 1 and soon to be 2(it has sonic in the title so its classifed as a sonic game)
Sonic And The Secret Rings(that game got high scores) ect. so saying sonic
has no good new games is complete and TOTAL BS.

Yep i agree with you but Places like the UK Rated Satbk almost 10 in every place and oh god when the UK saw Sonic Unleashed They loved it

[SonicFan47]

America doesn't think so

That, my friend, is a sterotype. I think that I've met maybe 20 people my whole life who actually have that mentality (then again, I've only spent a rough total of 1.5 months outside of my state during my life).

BS, sonic is still cool its just people keep thinking this:

Sonic+Gimmick=shit
Sonic+Running=BEST GAYME EVAR LAWLZ
it makes me sick, sonic is still cool and people ALWAYS
spew that "Sonic has lost alot of fans over the years"
but they never talk about the MILLIONS hes gained!
also, ANOTHER thing that makes me sick is the whole
"Sonic has not had a single good game since SA2/SA2B"
but thats not true look at Sonic Unleashed Sonic Heroes
Sonic Advance 1 2 and 3 Sonic Rush 1 and 2 Sonic Rivals 2
Mario & Sonic 1 and soon to be 2(it has sonic in the title so its classifed as a sonic game)
Sonic And The Secret Rings(that game got high scores) ect. so saying sonic
has no good new games is complete and TOTAL BS.

And that, my good MonictheDemon777, is why nearly everyone (if not everyone) on this site hates the vast majority of game reviewers. They're all biased against Sonic.

[Hakudamashi]

That, my friend, is a sterotype. I think that I've met maybe 20 people my whole life who actually have that mentality (then again, I've only spent a rough total of 1.5 months outside of my state during my life).

Well I haven't been proven wrong when I made that comment

BS, sonic is still cool its just people keep thinking this:

Sonic+Gimmick=shit
Sonic+Running=BEST GAYME EVAR LAWLZ
it makes me sick, sonic is still cool and people ALWAYS
spew that "Sonic has lost alot of fans over the years"
but they never talk about the MILLIONS hes gained!
also, ANOTHER thing that makes me sick is the whole
"Sonic has not had a single good game since SA2/SA2B"
but thats not true look at Sonic Unleashed Sonic Heroes
Sonic Advance 1 2 and 3 Sonic Rush 1 and 2 Sonic Rivals 2
Mario & Sonic 1 and soon to be 2(it has sonic in the title so its classifed as a sonic game)
Sonic And The Secret Rings(that game got high scores) ect. so saying sonic
has no good new games is complete and TOTAL BS.

ppl also focus too much that Sonic lost a few fans
the handheld Sonic games are over looked and ignored
and apparently game reviewers have the power to persuade most americans into beleiveing Sonic is crap now
I bet half of them:
a).Don't even know who Sonic is
b).Hasn't played any of the new games

[RedCap-BlueSpikes]

Well I haven't been proven wrong when I made that comment
ppl also focus too much that Sonic lost a few fans
the handheld Sonic games are over looked and ignored
and apparently game reviewers have the power to persuade most americans into beleiveing Sonic is crap now
I bet half of them:
a).Don't even know who Sonic is
b).Hasn't played any of the new games

DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

[KevChaos86]

Hey wind, I think Nightmare and I would care to disagree with your whole "Americans think Sonic sucks now" mentality... we're both from the U.S., heh. Need I remind you it was an American that gave you a place to voice your opinion about your support of Sonic? I'm not trying to fuel the internation fires here either, but I'd figure he and I aren't the only U.S. Sonic fans on this site. The simple fact of being here is proof of our support for him.   

[Hakudamashi]

Hey wind, I think Nightmare and I would care to disagree with your whole "Americans think Sonic sucks now" mentality... we're both from the U.S., heh. Need I remind you it was an American that gave you a place to voice your opinion about your support of Sonic? I'm not trying to fuel the internation fires here either, but I'd figure he and I aren't the only U.S. Sonic fans on this site. The simple fact of being here is proof of our support for him.   

>.<
Well that's possibly the biggest fail I've had here

[KevChaos86]

 

Honestly though, don't feel too bad. Nobody'z Perfekt...  .

[Hakudamashi]

Yeah Wind, I'm from the U.S. too. You got a problem with Americans? 

yes
a very big one

[Super Empra]

yes
a very big one

and why is that?

[Hakudamashi]

and why is that?

Thats not really your business now is it 

[SonicFan47]

yes
a very big one

Me too (for the most part), and I live in the US. 

[Hakudamashi]

Me too (for the most part), and I live in the US. 

ditto
so lets drop it

[DJ Boredom]

Hey Back On Topic Now...;_;

I give sonic this much, Sonic 1 was a classic and i still play it even today.
Some of the newer ones are just asinine, Sonic Riders was pretty much Sonic R with boards.

[dingadergen]

Sonic went wrong when they made a 3d sonic game that had more characters than just sonic

[Hakudamashi]

Sonic went wrong when they made a 3d sonic game that had more characters than just sonic

Really?Cause Sonic gained alot of fans when they did that

[Super Empra]

Sonic went wrong when they made a 3d sonic game that had more characters than just sonic

Isn't having more characters a good thing?

[jkid101094]

BS, sonic is still cool its just people keep thinking this:

Sonic+Gimmick=****
Sonic+Running=BEST GAYME EVAR LAWLZ
it makes me sick, sonic is still cool and people ALWAYS
spew that "Sonic has lost alot of fans over the years"
but they never talk about the MILLIONS hes gained!
also, ANOTHER thing that makes me sick is the whole
"Sonic has not had a single good game since SA2/SA2B"
but thats not true look at Sonic Unleashed Sonic Heroes
Sonic Advance 1 2 and 3 Sonic Rush 1 and 2 Sonic Rivals 2
Mario & Sonic 1 and soon to be 2(it has sonic in the title so its classifed as a sonic game)
Sonic And The Secret Rings(that game got high scores) ect. so saying sonic
has no good new games is complete and TOTAL BS.

I agree....I just hated the werehog levels in unleased........

[Hakudamashi]

Isn't having more characters a good thing?

yes it is

[gva 8000]

sonic gennesis sucks

[Super Empra]

sonic gennesis sucks

If they sucked then Sonic wouldn't exist today

[Hakudamashi]

If they sucked then Sonic wouldn't exist today

You know as well as I do thats a lie
also,there are many(surprisingly) who also say it sux
And I think he meant the one for GBA

[Super Empra]

You know as well as I do thats a lie
also,there are many(surprisingly) who also say it sux
And I think he meant the one for GBA

So your saying that if Sonic wasn't popular in Genesis times we would still be sonic fans?

[Hakudamashi]

So your saying that if Sonic wasn't popular in Genesis times we would still be sonic fans?

You forget,some of us aren't Sonic fans because of the Genesis

[Super Empra]

You forget,some of us aren't Sonic fans because of the Genesis

I know, but would SA exist without Sonic 1? If sonic never became popular then SA probably wouldn't exist.

[Skyle369]

I know, but would SA exist without Sonic 1? If sonic never became popular then SA probably wouldn't exist.

Thats true.

Sega was motivated to make better Sonic games after Sonic 1 because the fans love it so they made Sonic 2 more cooler than it then the process goes on and on and on...

[m3gam0nk3ys]

Yeah they really can't do good reviews they usually make games look and sounds bad

[Hakudamashi]

Yeah they really can't do good reviews they usually make games look and sounds bad

Unless Mario,guns or pr0n is involved

[SonicFan47]

sonic gennesis sucks

If you mean the GBA game, I agree. That is an absolutely crappy game.
If you mean the Genesis version,...I still actually agree. I got hooked on Sonic 2 and I couldn't stand not having the spin dash.

[Hakudamashi]

If you mean the Genesis version,...I still actually agree. I got hooked on Sonic 2 and I couldn't stand not having the spin dash.

It's just not the same

[SonicFan47]

It's just not the same

It isn't the same. It really bugged me.

[shaneme3]

I not going to read all of this so im just going to say what I just thought up, maybe one of the reasons that sonic is getting worse is beacuse Sega doesn't make us wait for a game. I mean think, all those games (if they are good) seem absoulty amazing if you wait for it for at least a month, but Sega is realesing a new sonic game every year, while all the really good games seem to take many years to create, due to new enginges to run brand new games.

[SonicFan47]

I not going to read all of this so im just going to say what I just thought up, maybe one of the reasons that sonic is getting worse is beacuse Sega doesn't make us wait for a game. I mean think, all those games (if they are good) seem absoulty amazing if you wait for it for at least a month, but Sega is realesing a new sonic game every year, while all the really good games seem to take many years to create, due to new enginges to run brand new games.

Be careful what you say.
Rouge Leader, one of the Gamecube launch titles, was made in 8 months and it's a good game.

[Nightshade the hedgehog]

*shoots ign*

hate them now

sonic ftw

[manman1235]

I'll tell you when he started going bad, that human Elise... Humans aren't supposed to be in sonic games, let alone make out with Sonic... why do you think Robotnik (Eggman) gets owned in every game??

[visualboy64]

IGN are stupid.They even Sonic 06 a higher score than Sonic unleashed. They gave SA2 a higher score than SA2B when we all know SA2B is better.

sa2 and sa2b are basicly the same

[SonicFan47]

sa2 and sa2b are basicly the same

Uh...well...basically?
Yes.
There are some significant changes, though.

[visualboy64]

Uh...well...basically?
Yes.
There are some significant changes, though.

well i meant the story line

[darkscamp]

IGN do rubbish reviews but they do do great cheats and walkthroughs


I don't get why they don't like sonic its a classic!

[SonicFan47]

well i meant the story line

Ah.
In that case, you're spot on.

I don't get why they don't like sonic its a classic!

That's exactly what they like.
The Sonic classics.
Not the new stuff.
Buncha' Genesis Junkies...

[Hakudamashi]

Genesis Junkies...

I see you've been using that word alot

[SonicFan47]

I see you've been using that word alot

Yeah, I've grown to love it.
Thanks for introducing me.

[azlj01]

IGN are hater not stupid they are Mario fans. Sonic Unleash is a badass game they can't admit that.

[Hakudamashi]

Yeah, I've grown to love it.
Thanks for introducing me.

um..no problem?

[smbcomix]

So... I'm not the only gamer who doesn't like IGN (or any critics)?

I guess I'm not alone.

[HereAndThere]

So... I'm not the only gamer who doesn't like IGN (or any critics)?

I guess I'm not alone.

Almosy all of the members here hate IGN (Or so i think.)
And btw, you should have noticed that this topic had already died.
So you bumped it.

[Barc]

only one word to this SONIC X and JASON GRIFITH

[Hakudamashi]

only one word to this SONIC X and JASON GRIFITH

I'm almost sure that is 5 words
or 4 words if you want to be technical

[Craats]

BUMP!

Ign isnt that bad, it just revieuws games their own way, thats just how they think games recieve a score. personally, i think its too bad the newest sonic games didnt launch for PC.

[Hakudamashi]

BUMP!

Ign isnt that bad, it just revieuws games their own way, thats just how they think games recieve a score. personally, i think its too bad the newest sonic games didnt launch for PC.

Their way stinks

and BOO Microsoft