WHY SEGA DOESN'T CARE WHEN SONIC SUCKS
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It's the money, stupid. And enough gamers buy crappy Sonic games for Sega not to care, according to an anonymous Sega employee.
"Boss Rush was an anonymous blog, currently deleted, run by someone who actually turned out to be Sonic Europe employee Ben Andac (who is no longer with the company). Among other things, he clearly knew about the impending "Werehog" gimmick of Sonic Unleashed a full year before the game's trademark was even registered. On the subject of Sonic the Hedgehog games, Andac had this to say, as preserved by archive.org:
Instead of using the re-structuring for good Sonic Team became complacent slaves of their earlier successes. Their primary goal now is purely business driven: to please the managing directors wth good ROIs; this is not so abnormal - it is a business after all - but they leave little room for creativity and originality in their particular brand of working practices. Clearly the blame does not lay squarely at Naka and Sonic Team's door - the direction of Sega (or rather Sammy) as a corporation; the narrow-minded short-term annual business-plan practices and development processes (i.e. tight development schedule) that demand yearly churning out of Sonic products all play a major part...So that's why Sonic is constantly in roughly three or four games a year, despite few of them being any good. To Sega, the Sonic franchise is now a money train the company is willing to ride all the way to shovelware station. As long as gamers keep buying lousy games starring Sonic, nothing is going to change."
By Alicia Ashby, OMGNintendo.com
January 07, 2009
Well, I can't say I'm surprised. It is good buisness owning Sonic, but it sucks that they have to not care at all about what Sonic has become. Although at least we now know how little Sega cares about their official mascot (even though it's kind of obvious with many recent Sonic Games), to be honest, thinking in the perspective of a businessman, I could see why Sega would make crappy Sonic games; because they get the same money they would if they made decent games as they do when they make the crap ones. Do little work, get paid well. Sad, but true.
Wow, is Sega Sammy really that cheap?
I can't believe it but I see it, Sega doesn't even care if Sonic Sucks I like playing the games since I was little but now they want to make money out of it :'(
Quote from: Shadow84786 on Jan 7, 2009 11:18 AM
I can't believe it but I see it, Sega doesn't even care if Sonic Sucks I like playing the games since I was little but now they want to make money out of it :'(
They always wanted money out of it, because if they didn't it wouldn't exist, but the difference is that they clearly cared more about Sonic in the past than they do now.
wow..just wow :(
I'm not sure how to feel right now
this is what i am talking about when i cry WHAT HAVE I DONE TO DESERVE THIS!! :'(
I guess all the b*tchin from everyone cause them to just stop caring.Cause no matter how hard they work,they always get bad....everything.Also the fanbase isn't that large either
So they just gave up,make money and took some fukitol pills
hang on! if we do it the old-fashioned way, they could start making good sonic games again! i mean look, it says: "they sell enough crappy sonic games for sega not to care" if we stop buying the "crappy" sonic games, they should care so they will have to make better games!!! :o do you know where i am going with this? ;)
I think ur forgetting the underused word known as
OPINIONS
Winds got the right idea.i am in aw about this just...aw...
There goes all my respect for SEGA, this is what I am feeling right now...
>:( :( :o ??? :'(
You're so right, almost all the companies that make games seem to not care that much of what they sell as much as making money... the world is so going down.... I think if we change first (by liking just games that desirve likyng and such) then they will also change.
This means SEGA is becoming more like Nintendo. All Nintendo do is put Mario in a game and watch it sell millions.
True,companies today hardly give 2 sh*ts about the fans anymore
Quote from: windlessusher on Jan 8, 2009 11:25 AM
True,companies today hardly give 2 sh*ts about the fans anymore
they will when they don't have any fans 2 not give 2 sh*ts about
Quote from: ultrashadow on Jan 8, 2009 07:20 PM
they will when they don't have any fans 2 not give 2 sh*ts about
which won't be until like.......flame wars end :P
Quote from: windlessusher on Jan 9, 2009 11:22 AM
which won't be until like.......flame wars end :P
AKA: never, i guess then
Actually SEGA should care because their sonic games aren't selling well. Sonic 06 is around 1 million and it barely sold anything when it came out. Sonic unleashed sold but not much either. Sonic adventure 1 and 2 sold over 1 million. So I think it does make a difference.
I cant beilive :C
Quote from: Super Empra on Jan 10, 2009 01:33 AM
Actually SEGA should care because their sonic games aren't selling well. Sonic 06 is around 1 million and it barely sold anything when it came out. Sonic unleashed sold but not much either. Sonic adventure 1 and 2 sold over 1 million. So I think it does make a difference.
i would be surprised that unlashed didn't do well, if it wrn't for th reviewers doin a bad job and people beliving it to be like sonic 06' or secret rings
Quote from: ultrashadow on Jan 10, 2009 03:31 AM
i would be surprised that unlashed didn't do well, if it wrn't for th reviewers doin a bad job and people beliving it to be like sonic 06' or secret rings
I guess its part of their plan to get rid of Sonic so that Mario can take over over :P
But seriously,I guess its just these ppl are too picky,and don't know what they want(if you like at other Sonic reviews u'll see what I mean)
Quote from: windlessusher on Jan 10, 2009 08:07 AM
I guess its part of their plan to get rid of Sonic so that Mario can take over over :P
But seriously,I guess its just these ppl are too picky,and don't know what they want(if you like at other Sonic reviews u'll see what I mean)
Didn't mario take over when the SNES beat the Genesis? Or when the bad quality sonic games began to come out?
The only place where Mario is "better" than sonic is in ur head
Quote from: windlessusher on Jan 10, 2009 01:01 PM
The only place where Mario is "better" than sonic is in ur head
mario is ok, but sonic is better, thats how my mind work
I cant belive sega was doing all of theas to get mony
Well they won't be getting money for much longer because Sonic sells much less than it used to. And if reviewers keep giving bad reviews then sales will fall even more.
Quote from: Super Empra on Jan 11, 2009 04:47 AM
Well they won't be getting money for much longer because Sonic sells much less than it used to. And if reviewers keep giving bad reviews then sales will fall even more.
I guess its cause ppl just can't except change
Cause haven't you realised that the only "good" sonic games are the ones that resemble the original -_-
Quote from: windlessusher on Jan 11, 2009 06:33 AM
I guess its cause ppl just can't except change
Cause haven't you realised that the only "good" sonic games are the ones that resemble the original -_-
that's because people think sonic and pario are more alike thn they really are, mario has kept the tradition, but sonic has to keep changing to adapt to the storyline
Quote from: ultrashadow on Jan 11, 2009 07:10 AM
that's because people think sonic and pario are more alike thn they really are, mario has kept the tradition, but sonic has to keep changing to adapt to the storyline
1.Thats why I find Mario boring
2.What IS their similarities anyway?
Who knows?
Quote from: windlessusher on Jan 11, 2009 12:17 PM
1.Thats why I find Mario boring
2.What IS their similarities anyway?
well, they are both platformers, both mascots, both been in party, rpg and racing games... and thats al i can really think of
Quote from: ultrashadow on Jan 12, 2009 08:09 AM
well, they are both platformers, both mascots, both been in party, rpg and racing games... and thats al i can really think of
So is Crash Bandicoot,Spyro the Dragon and Jak&Daxter,so thats not a good example if you think about it
that crap sega lets go and kill them
I'm sure Sega doesn't WANT Sonic to suck, but they're just not doing so good right now.
I guess its cause since no matter what they do all they get is bitch,bitch,bad reviews,bitch,bitch,bitch
So they just stopped caring
wow... :(
they don't care... omg :( :( :'(
I have one thing to say and one thing only you all know that the companies spend more money than they sell it for which sows they do care that we are here.
i am with Super Empra after readin this i dont even want 2 respect thm
I think it's some fans' fault. (keyword: SOME.)
The complaining, bad reviews... like windlessusher said.
Sega should make a Sonic game that would change the world if they want money!
No wonder they made Sonic 06 glitchy.
Why are sega being so stupid?
Seriously?
Quote from: revenger on Mar 3, 2009 09:26 AM
Why are sega being so stupid?
Seriously?
Y r game reviewers being stupid?Y is 4Kids being stupid?Why is the government being stupid?Y is the YT comment section being stupid?
corruption,its everywhere
Quote from: windlessusher on Jan 8, 2009 11:25 AM
True,companies today hardly give 2 sh*ts about the fans anymore
Agreed. Rarely will companies care about what the buyers/fans say.
If SEGA cared for sonic,theyd bring back old style sonic games.
Quote from: Blade the hedgehog on Mar 14, 2009 04:14 PM
If SEGA cared for sonic,theyd bring back old style sonic games.
Ahem
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Genesis.jpg)
BAD IDEA!
Quote from: windlessusher on Mar 14, 2009 04:15 PM
Ahem
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ed/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Genesis.jpg)
BAD IDEA!
like sadx,sonic 3,BUT HELLZ NO TO SONIC 1 and sonic drift
Quote from: Blade the hedgehog on Mar 14, 2009 04:17 PM
like sadx,sonic 3,BUT HELLZ NO TO SONIC 1 and sonic drift
If they can FAILerise Sonic 1 in 5 or so different ways
DECREASE the epicness of Sonic Adventure
GIVE!Sonic 3&2 glitches
I still think its a bad idea O_O
Like a rule from my bro's little handbook
"Originals must be kept as is.The most a company SHOULD do is expand,innovate and move on"-
Marc ByfieldIn other words
Remake=FAIL!
Quote from: windlessusher on Mar 14, 2009 04:21 PM
If they can FAILerise Sonic 1 in 5 or so different ways
DECREASE the epicness of Sonic Adventure
GIVE!Sonic 3&2 glitches
I still think its a bad idea O_O
Like a rule from my bro's little handbook
"Originals must be kept as is.The most a company SHOULD do is expand,innovate and move on"-Marc Byfield
In other words
Remake=FAIL!
well then SEGA shoulf let sonic shove his shoe up their ass and force them to remake naxt gen,only,NO ELISE,NO VOICES,and you can put your own charcter in it :D
Quote from: Blade the hedgehog on Mar 14, 2009 04:26 PM
well then SEGA shoulf let sonic shove his shoe up their ass and force them to remake naxt gen,only,NO ELISE,NO VOICES,and you can put your own charcter in it :D
Well then that would just be a new Sonic game altogether that society will scorn cause its not like the original
Quote from: windlessusher on Mar 14, 2009 04:28 PM
Well then that would just be a new Sonic game altogether that society will scorn cause its not like the original
THEY SHOULD CALL IT "sonic Kingdom"...or "sonic no recolors or you failz noob"
Quote from: Blade the hedgehog on Mar 14, 2009 04:36 PM
THEY SHOULD CALL IT "sonic Kingdom"...or "sonic no recolors or you failz noob"
SOCIETY DRAMATIZATIONP1:OMG a new Sonic game who's title isn't Sonic the Hedgehog 4 or Sonic Adventure 3,it MUST be a fail
P2:OMG IGN gave it a poor review,lets all be hypocrites and say IGN sux for a review I completely agree with
P3:I just beat the game 10% and don't want to play it again and appreciate the real work SEGA put into it,why don't they just sell Sonic to Nintendo
P4:Random generic insult to all Sonic Fans
Quote from: windlessusher on Mar 14, 2009 04:41 PM
SOCIETY DRAMATIZATION
P1:OMG a new Sonic game who's title isn't Sonic the Hedgehog 4 or Sonic Adventure 3,it MUST be a fail
P2:OMG IGN gave it a poor review,lets all be hypocrites and say IGN sux for a review I completely agree with
P3:I just beat the game 10% and don't want to play it again and appreciate the real work SEGA put into it,why don't they just sell Sonic to Nintendo
P4:Random generic insult to all Sonic Fans
you speak the langauge of a TRUE sonic fan
Quote from: Skyle369 on Feb 18, 2009 12:26 AM
Sega should make a Sonic game that would change the world if they want money!
No wonder they made Sonic 06 glitchy.
Well most of the team for Sonic 06 quit midway through production combined with Microsoft rushing them to release it by Christmas made them rush and caused them to skip bug fixing.
Quote from: Supersonic274 on Mar 14, 2009 04:52 PM
Well most of the team for Sonic 06 quit midway through production combined with Microsoft rushing them to release it by Christmas made them rush and caused them to skip bug fixing.
So Microsoft is what f*cked up SEGA >:(
I mean,look what they did to Banjo&Kazooie >_>
Quote from: windlessusher on Mar 14, 2009 05:17 PM
So Microsoft is what f*cked up SEGA >:(
I mean,look what they did to Banjo&Kazooie >_>
That statement would be correct.
they should make sonic game more like sa2 and the original sonic adventure
Quote from: panjr0809 on Mar 15, 2009 03:51 PM
they should make sonic game more like sa2 and the original sonic adventure
Thie above statement is the real reason why Sonic sux
Quote from: panjr0809 on Mar 15, 2009 03:51 PM
they should make sonic game more like sa2 and the original sonic adventure
Sonic 06 was like SA2 and SA. And it wasn't good at all. A sequel to Sonic unleashed would be a nice idea.
Quote from: Super Empra on Mar 16, 2009 11:58 AM
Sonic 06 was like SA2 and SA. And it wasn't good at all. A sequel to Sonic unleashed would be a nice idea.
:o
You didn't say "minus the Werehog"
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID U DO TO SuperEmpra!?
Quote from: windlessusher on Mar 16, 2009 12:02 PM
:o
You didn't say "minus the Werehog"
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DID U DO TO SuperEmpra!?
I killed him!
(Not really)The werehog parts weren't so bad and they would probably replace it with something else in the sequel.
Quote from: Super Empra on Mar 17, 2009 04:56 AM
I killed him! (Not really)
The werehog parts weren't so bad and they would probably replace it with something else in the sequel.
maybe with this guy
(http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/knuckles-the-echidna-42921.jpg)
Quote from: windlessusher on Mar 17, 2009 09:06 AM
maybe with this guy
(http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/knuckles-the-echidna-42921.jpg)
OH F*CK TO THE YES wind
Well I guess SEGA has to make money some how :'(
I just hate that they don't care, Nintendo or someone should just buy the Sonic trademark and make some better and original Sonic games...
Quote from: Super Empra on Mar 17, 2009 04:56 AM
I killed him! (Not really)
Noo, why god why?? Wait... Do I even know you? no :P Hope they'll make a sequel with something as powerful as the werehog but faster..
Quote from: Kristomaster on Mar 28, 2009 09:46 PM
I just hate that they don't care, Nintendo or someone should just buy the Sonic trademark and make some better and original Sonic games...
Noo, why god why?? Wait... Do I even know you? no :P Hope they'll make a sequel with something as powerful as the werehog but faster..
Like Knuckles the Wereasskicker
you know what, i think they are trying to let ppl believe that they can work faster than sonic, which would make a nice progress.
you know what they should actually do? make a small group from sonic team work on a sonic game for 5 years, and publish that (blu-ray disc for size indication of the game) probably for nintendo's upcoming follower of the wii. (said to be with gloves, which register your movement, and make buttons almost unnessecary(knux gloves >.<)) but just let a small group work on it for years, and then show the result, while letting the rest of sonic team just make some other games, which take long to complete.
this will cost SEGA money at first, but when they submit it, TONS of people will make deposits for the game, so SEGA will be happy
and call the product of YEARS of work: Sonic Adventure 3
Personally...I think SEGA is trying to compete with Nintendo and other companies with similar concepts!
Dual-world platforming (Sonic Unleashed)...Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
Metroid 3
Super Paper Mario
These concepts are causing SEGA to say "Hey forget about Sonic, let's focus on other games..." like NiGHTS and Monkey Ball. If they can go back and look at good games like Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adevnture 2...they can finally start making good games and ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT SONIC.
Quote from: Dark-one on Feb 15, 2009 02:09 PM
I think it's some fans' fault. (keyword: SOME.)
The complaining, bad reviews... like windlessusher said.
Bad reviewers on IGN, NGamer and so on...
Sega only presents the sonic games. Sonic team is the one who's making them. That's why they don't care
Quote from: Claws on Apr 7, 2009 08:25 AM
you know what, i think they are trying to let ppl believe that they can work faster than sonic, which would make a nice progress.
you know what they should actually do? make a small group from sonic team work on a sonic game for 5 years, and publish that (blu-ray disc for size indication of the game) probably for nintendo's upcoming follower of the wii. (said to be with gloves, which register your movement, and make buttons almost unnessecary(knux gloves >.<)) but just let a small group work on it for years, and then show the result, while letting the rest of sonic team just make some other games, which take long to complete.
this will cost SEGA money at first, but when they submit it, TONS of people will make deposits for the game, so SEGA will be happy
and call the product of YEARS of work: Sonic Adventure 3
about the glove thing that was made a long time a go by nintendo. it was called the power glove and frankly no bought it. in fact, the power glove is a wii proto-type
sega needs to step up their game and stop being cheap
SEGA ISNT BEING CHEAP... THEY JUST DONT LISTEN TO THEIR FANS.
Quote from: kilerdad on May 25, 2009 06:04 AM
SEGA ISNT BEING CHEAP... THEY JUST DONT LISTEN TO THEIR FANS.
How much money are they pumping into their new games?
Quote from: Super Empra on May 25, 2009 06:06 AM
How much money are they pumping into their new games?
Not enough because they are still not having fan's support much anymore!
but according to IGN they said that sega Put A lot of effort in Sonic And The Black Knight.
Quote from: kilerdad on May 25, 2009 06:35 AM
but according to IGN they said that sega Put A lot of effort in Sonic And The Black Knight.
That game was bad in all the wrong places...except for a few!
Quote from: Super Sonic Boom on May 25, 2009 10:44 AM
That game was bad in all the wrong places...except for a few!
explain if you don't want to feel my wrath
OMG.. SOME ONES GONNA GET PWNED ::)
Quote from: kilerdad on May 25, 2009 06:35 AM
but according to IGN they said that sega Put A lot of effort in Sonic And The Black Knight.
IGN suck in everything. And no, i don't think there was much effort put into that game.
Quote from: Super Empra on May 25, 2009 09:26 PM
IGN suck in everything. And no, i don't think there was much effort put into that game.
Your just saying that because its short and the engine is from SATSR.
if you see Titanic plain, they putted a lot of effort in it.
ok i know ign sucks but by looking at the game i think there has been a lot of work.
Sega is just deaf!
Ovah 9000! Sonic fans have more greater ideas than them but Sega just don't listen!
They are just loners,they don't need help!
Sega needs to have a poll on what kind of Sonic game they should release.
Quote from: Skyle369 on May 26, 2009 01:53 AM
Sega is just deaf!
Ovah 9000! Sonic fans have more greater ideas than them but Sega just don't listen!
They are just loners,they don't need help!
Sega needs to have a poll on what kind of Sonic game they should release.
yeah i agree
Sega just don't know that they have the most kickass mascot in the history of history that
they just make random games about him.
Quote from: Skyle369 on May 26, 2009 02:50 AM
Sega just don't know that they have the most kickass mascot in the history of history that
they just make random games about him.
true.... sega should look at what they did to sonic the most coolest game char has becomed the worse game char.... *sniff*
maybe sega should have a board on which their members post ideas
Quote from: kilerdad on May 26, 2009 03:59 AM
maybe sega should have a board on which their members post ideas
yeah wait a sec a guy in youtube said hes dad works at sega if he does WHY THE HELL DOESNT THAT GUY TELL HES DAD TO MAKE SONIC ADVANTURE 3!!!!!
BECAUSE THAT GUY IS LYING.. such an obvious answer.
Quote from: jeexx on May 26, 2009 06:10 AM
yeah wait a sec a guy in youtube said hes dad works at sega if he does WHY THE HELL DOESNT THAT GUY TELL HES DAD TO MAKE SONIC ADVANTURE 3!!!!!
You DO realize the Adventure engine is broken right?
Making a pleasing SA3 is near impossible till it's fixed(so I've heard)
And guys,Sonic Team makes the games not SEGA
Quote from: windlessusher on May 26, 2009 08:30 AM
You DO realize the Adventure engine is broken right?
Making a pleasing SA3 is near impossible till it's fixed(so I've heard)
And guys,Sonic Team makes the games not SEGA
But SEGA has some control over Sonic Team.
Quote from: Super Empra on May 26, 2009 08:33 AM
But SEGA has some control over Sonic Team.
Did SEGA force the game ideas into their brains?
Quote from: windlessusher on May 26, 2009 08:38 AM
Did SEGA force the game ideas into their brains?
Not really but SEGA does control them.
Quote from: Super Empra on May 26, 2009 08:41 AM
Not really but SEGA does control them.
Did SEGA say abandon all of your fans and make whatever you want and rake in whatever money you get and await my next instuctions?
NO.. NOT EXACTLY/
but wind sonic team works for sega and they are those who make the games and sega and sonic team talk about game ideas so sega is the main reason sonics going downhill guys...... like the title says sega doesnt care about sonic but i bet sonic team would want to make a old fashion sonic game but sega doesnt let em so it may be that sega doesnt care but sonic team does and sega doesnt want sonic team to listen to their fans maybe..... so you see after the adventure engine is fixed there wont be a chance sonic team will be able to make a new adventure..... and also it would only be avaible for PS3 or xbox 360 cuz it needs alot of space cuz it should be based on the sonic X season 3 the "GT/grand tour" season in space but no chris or will all die right? but i wish sega would make sonic have new shoes and equimpent that can be chosed in the start of the level so you can either choose the normal shoes a slider/shadow like shoes or that extreme/hyper speed board
ANOTHER LENGTHY REPLY.. YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I AM LAZY.
Quote from: kilerdad on May 26, 2009 06:42 PM
ANOTHER LENGTHY REPLY.. YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I AM LAZY.
but that was my first long one :P
OK THEN ... neva mind.
Quote from: jeexx on May 26, 2009 06:39 PM
but wind sonic team works for sega and they are those who make the games and sega and sonic team talk about game ideas so sega is the main reason sonics going downhill guys...... like the title says sega doesnt care about sonic but i bet sonic team would want to make a old fashion sonic game but sega doesnt let em so it may be that sega doesnt care but sonic team does and sega doesnt want sonic team to listen to their fans maybe..... so you see after the adventure engine is fixed there wont be a chance sonic team will be able to make a new adventure..... and also it would only be avaible for PS3 or xbox 360 cuz it needs alot of space cuz it should be based on the sonic X season 3 the "GT/grand tour" season in space but no chris or will all die right? but i wish sega would make sonic have new shoes and equimpent that can be chosed in the start of the level so you can either choose the normal shoes a slider/shadow like shoes or that extreme/hyper speed board
keep dreaming ;)
why dreaming... it might just happen.
Quote from: windlessusher on May 27, 2009 12:19 PM
keep dreaming ;)
but that is true sega is the one who pays sonic team their money and control them if they dont do anything sega says they will get the boot
Quote from: kilerdad on May 27, 2009 08:22 PM
why dreaming... it might just happen.
yeah its true that it might happen and it is true both others were SA1=sonic X season 1 chaos SA2:season 2 and SA3 (maybe coming):space "GT/grand tour"
oh puleez. there aint gonna be SA3 now i believe it cuz sega haz said taht already.
Quote from: kilerdad on May 28, 2009 01:08 AM
oh puleez. there aint gonna be SA3 now i believe it cuz sega haz said taht already.
but if it may come it would be hard to make over 5 years wouldnt be enough
I kinda don't really believe this. Cause he works at Sega of UK I think. And I bet he doesn't even know the opinions of Sonic of Sega of Japan. Plus, the past Sonic games have been made by Sega US. ALL the ones practically from SA2 to now has been made of Sega of USA. So the Sega of USA's games they make are bad. With the exception of Sonic Heroes and Unleashed. They were moderate.
Quote from: jonXjon on May 31, 2009 09:22 AM
I kinda don't really believe this. Cause he works at Sega of UK I think. And I bet he doesn't even know the opinions of Sonic of Sega of Japan. Plus, the past Sonic games have been made by Sega US. ALL the ones practically from SA2 to now has been made of Sega of USA. So the Sega of USA's games they make are bad. With the exception of Sonic Heroes and Unleashed. They were moderate.
sooooo the title should be
Article: Why SEGA of America Doesn't Care when Sonic Sucks
Quote from: windlessusher on May 31, 2009 09:25 AM
sooooo the title should be
Article: Why SEGA of America Doesn't Care when Sonic Sucks
No, it should be
Article: Why SEGA should stop making Sonic games
Quote from: jonXjon on May 31, 2009 02:22 PM
No, it should be
Article: Why SEGA should stop making Sonic games
alright,why should they stop?
Quote from: windlessusher on May 31, 2009 05:39 PM
alright,why should they stop?
Because, Sega of America has made the recent games that everybody complains about being bad.
Ex: They made Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 2006, Sonic Unleashed
so why cant the sega of some other place make the games to see if they are better and the only sonic i played that i havnt liked was the first one for the 360 even my uncle didnt like it o_0
Quote from: NiGHTS on Jun 1, 2009 11:34 AM
so why cant the sega of some other place make the games to see if they are better and the only sonic i played that i havnt liked was the first one for the 360 even my uncle didnt like it o_0
well, idk. The best were made by Sega of Japan. And I liked all the recent sonic games except for Secret Rings. But REVIEWERS didn't like the recent ones.
Quote from: jonXjon on Jun 1, 2009 11:37 AM
well, idk. The best were made by Sega of Japan. And I liked all the recent sonic games except for Secret Rings. But REVIEWERS didn't like the recent ones.
stuff reviewers they just complain listen to the real sonic fans not CoD obsessed nerd going well this hasnt got guns so i dont like it >_>
Quote from: NiGHTS on Jun 1, 2009 11:41 AM
stuff reviewers they just complain listen to the real sonic fans not CoD obsessed nerd going well this hasnt got guns so i dont like it >_>
yeah I know :P I don't trust IGN's reviews. IGN is full CoD obsessed nerds. I'd trust ScrewAttack's reviews if they reviewed.
Quote from: jonXjon on Jun 1, 2009 11:45 AM
yeah I know :P I don't trust IGN's reviews. IGN is full CoD obsessed nerds. I'd trust ScrewAttack's reviews if they reviewed.
I know I may get yelled at for saying this but...what game reviewer can we trust now with Sonic? :-\
Quote from: Super Sonic Boom on Jun 1, 2009 12:12 PM
I know I may get yelled at for saying this but...what game reviewer can we trust now with Sonic? :-\
yourself
Quote from: windlessusher on Jun 1, 2009 12:33 PM
yourself
That is actually the correct answer...+1 KARMA!
Quote from: Super Sonic Boom on Jun 1, 2009 12:12 PM
I know I may get yelled at for saying this but...what game reviewer can we trust now with Sonic? :-\
Or, if you want a second opinion, I think Nintendo could be good. With Nintendo Power. But does Gamespot review games? Maybe them idk
Quote from: jonXjon on Jun 1, 2009 01:05 PM
Or, if you want a second opinion, I think Nintendo could be good. With Nintendo Power. But does Gamespot review games? Maybe them idk
Gamespot are as bad as IGN. They said the daytime and nightime stages in sonic unleashed were bad!
exactly why we should have a review section on here for actual sonnic fans :P
Quote from: NiGHTS on Jun 1, 2009 07:57 PM
exactly why we should have a review section on here for actual sonnic fans :P
I'll bet you 5 internets that we'll here worse if not the same words
Quote from: SuperSonic11 on Jun 2, 2009 02:54 PM
SEGA should give Sonic a break and find good ideas for him instead for making him suck balls for crappy money! >:(
I guess thats how business works :-\
Quote from: SuperSonic11 on Jun 2, 2009 03:17 PM
Well f***k business! >:(
but business makes T.V.s
Quote from: SuperSonic11 on Jun 2, 2009 04:07 PM
I MEANT SEGA BUSINESS! >:(
SEGA produced alot of Kickass games like "Bleach:Shattered Blade"
direct your anger to Sonic Team
Quote from: SuperSonic11 on Jun 2, 2009 04:18 PM
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN'T! >:(
but you said "SEGA" business
Quote from: windlessusher on Jun 2, 2009 03:04 PM
I guess thats how business works :-\
Well than the business sucks for Sonic Team 95% of the time now! :-\
Quote from: SuperSonic11 on Jun 8, 2009 12:04 PM
That's true! +1 karma! ;D
Thank you...+1 KARMA, finally someone gets me!
Quote from: windlessusher on Jun 2, 2009 09:33 AM
I'll bet you 5 internets that we'll here worse if not the same words
You're on.
I actually started a topic in the spam section forever ago about this idea.
I bet I could tie this in with teh n00b reviews once I actually get it going...
Quote from: SonicFan47 on Jun 8, 2009 01:17 PM
You're on.
I actually started a topic in the spam section forever ago about this idea.
I bet I could tie this in with teh n00b reviews once I actually get it going...
if you remember
Quote from: windlessusher on Jun 8, 2009 03:43 PM
if you remember
Oh, I've been remembering.
I've just been to lazy to start.
Quote from: SonicFan47 on Jun 8, 2009 03:45 PM
Oh, I've been remembering.
I've just been to lazy to start.
kinda like alot of topics I've been meaning to start >.<
Sorry.
We started on topic, and then we kinda drifted...
Quote from: SonicFan47 on Jun 8, 2009 04:14 PM
Sorry.
We started on topic, and then we kinda drifted...
meh
it happenes
Quote from: SuperSonic11 on Jun 8, 2009 04:20 PM
Let's hope it doesn't happen again! >:(
don't kid yourself,it will happen again
its kind of a reaction or sometin XP
Quote from: windlessusher on Jun 8, 2009 04:24 PM
don't kid yourself,it will happen again
its kind of a reaction or sometin XP
Yeah, it's kind of a reflex.
We can try to avoid it, but it's gonna happen anyway.
Quote from: SonicFan47 on Jun 8, 2009 04:31 PM
Yeah, it's kind of a reflex.
We can try to avoid it, but it's gonna happen anyway.
lol like right now XD
Quote from: SuperSonic11 on Jun 9, 2009 06:06 AM
OMFG! You know what? Never mind what I said! >:(
Dude just calm down...OK, before this really gets out of hand. 8)
Quote from: SuperSonic11 on Jun 9, 2009 06:23 AM
Thanks Sonic Boom! I needed that! 8)
Hey, that is only 1/12 of my job here! Although I am getting off topic...sorry people! :D
SEGA doesn't care because it will still sell a lot, just because sonic is in it.
Quote from: Super Empra on Jun 9, 2009 08:06 AM
SEGA doesn't care because it will still sell a lot, just because sonic is in it.
That pretty much hits the nail right on the head! ;)
I haven't bought any of the new sonic games, in fact, im embaresed to even be a sonic fan, in public.
Quote from: shaneme3 on Jun 14, 2009 09:56 PM
I haven't bought any of the new sonic games, in fact, im embaresed to even be a sonic fan, in public.
GET THE HELL OUTTA HEREO_o are u embarresed? think it like this ppl like a 100 KG weighting plumber whos 40-60 and dates a 20 year old princess for living now THATS embarissing
*runs away and cries under a palm tree underwater in a cave inhabbited by EarthWorm Jims near the center of the earth in Brazil next to a Private jet on the coast of Rhode Island*
That made no sense! ;D
Quote from: shaneme3 on Jun 14, 2009 09:56 PM
I haven't bought any of the new sonic games, in fact, im embaresed to even be a sonic fan, in public.
And why is that?
[late] If SEGA doesn't care, why should we care, huh? -_-' [/late]
I hope I was just joking >_>
Sega's just trying to milk the same sonic cashcow over and over. And people keep buying.
Quote from: dingadergen on Jun 22, 2009 12:08 PM
Sega's just trying to milk the same sonic cashcow over and over. And people keep buying.
Isn't that what nintendo do?
Quote from: Super Empra on Jun 22, 2009 08:16 PM
Isn't that what nintendo do?
Yes it is
but its A-ok when Nintendo does it,but a sin if anyone else does it
Quote from: NiGHTMaRE on Jan 7, 2009 10:55 AM
WHY SEGA DOESN'T CARE WHEN SONIC SUCKS
(http://cdn1.gamepro.com/screens/141918/174228-1-2.jpg)
It's the money, stupid. And enough gamers buy crappy Sonic games for Sega not to care, according to an anonymous Sega employee.
"Boss Rush was an anonymous blog, currently deleted, run by someone who actually turned out to be Sonic Europe employee Ben Andac (who is no longer with the company). Among other things, he clearly knew about the impending "Werehog" gimmick of Sonic Unleashed a full year before the game's trademark was even registered. On the subject of Sonic the Hedgehog games, Andac had this to say, as preserved by archive.org:
Instead of using the re-structuring for good Sonic Team became complacent slaves of their earlier successes. Their primary goal now is purely business driven: to please the managing directors wth good ROIs; this is not so abnormal - it is a business after all - but they leave little room for creativity and originality in their particular brand of working practices. Clearly the blame does not lay squarely at Naka and Sonic Team's door - the direction of Sega (or rather Sammy) as a corporation; the narrow-minded short-term annual business-plan practices and development processes (i.e. tight development schedule) that demand yearly churning out of Sonic products all play a major part...
So that's why Sonic is constantly in roughly three or four games a year, despite few of them being any good. To Sega, the Sonic franchise is now a money train the company is willing to ride all the way to shovelware station. As long as gamers keep buying lousy games starring Sonic, nothing is going to change."
By Alicia Ashby, OMGNintendo.com
January 07, 2009
Well, I can't say I'm surprised. It is good buisness owning Sonic, but it sucks that they have to not care at all about what Sonic has become. Although at least we now know how little Sega cares about their official mascot (even though it's kind of obvious with many recent Sonic Games), to be honest, thinking in the perspective of a businessman, I could see why Sega would make crappy Sonic games; because they get the same money they would if they made decent games as they do when they make the crap ones. Do little work, get paid well. Sad, but true.
They sould at least make a better version
Wow, Sonic Team makes me feel confused, and very P.O'ed right now ??? >:(
really i cant belive it ???
IGUESS they are pretty crappy games , hey maybe you guys should make a game or not idont know how but if you did make one and let sega play it they would probably making better games
Sega was great back in the day but now they dont care shame on Sega
I'm not even surprised that Sega is lazy. I don't even own small amount of their games... They should really put more effort on their games so they can attark more people to their series. Well at least Sony cares about their games and few other. Final Ign is cool their not dumb. Their just Sonic haters since their Mario Fan's. It makes sence! ;)
Quote from: Rulep on Jul 31, 2009 05:00 PM
I'm not even surprised that Sega is lazy. I don't even own small amount of their games... They should really put more effort on their games so they can attark more people to their series. Well at least Sony cares about their games and few other. Final Ign is cool their not dumb. Their just Sonic haters since their Mario Fan's. It makes sence! ;)
How does that make sense?
I'm a Mario fan, and I don't hate Sonic.
Quote from: John Gillis on Jan 7, 2009 10:55 AM
WHY SEGA DOESN'T CARE WHEN SONIC SUCKS
(http://cdn1.gamepro.com/screens/141918/174228-1-2.jpg)
It's the money, stupid. And enough gamers buy crappy Sonic games for Sega not to care, according to an anonymous Sega employee.
"Boss Rush was an anonymous blog, currently deleted, run by someone who actually turned out to be Sonic Europe employee Ben Andac (who is no longer with the company). Among other things, he clearly knew about the impending "Werehog" gimmick of Sonic Unleashed a full year before the game's trademark was even registered. On the subject of Sonic the Hedgehog games, Andac had this to say, as preserved by archive.org:
Instead of using the re-structuring for good Sonic Team became complacent slaves of their earlier successes. Their primary goal now is purely business driven: to please the managing directors wth good ROIs; this is not so abnormal - it is a business after all - but they leave little room for creativity and originality in their particular brand of working practices. Clearly the blame does not lay squarely at Naka and Sonic Team's door - the direction of Sega (or rather Sammy) as a corporation; the narrow-minded short-term annual business-plan practices and development processes (i.e. tight development schedule) that demand yearly churning out of Sonic products all play a major part...
So that's why Sonic is constantly in roughly three or four games a year, despite few of them being any good. To Sega, the Sonic franchise is now a money train the company is willing to ride all the way to shovelware station. As long as gamers keep buying lousy games starring Sonic, nothing is going to change."
By Alicia Ashby, OMGNintendo.com
January 07, 2009
Well, I can't say I'm surprised. It is good buisness owning Sonic, but it sucks that they have to not care at all about what Sonic has become. Although at least we now know how little Sega cares about their official mascot (even though it's kind of obvious with many recent Sonic Games), to be honest, thinking in the perspective of a businessman, I could see why Sega would make crappy Sonic games; because they get the same money they would if they made decent games as they do when they make the crap ones. Do little work, get paid well. Sad, but true.
Lemme just say this, i think Soni Team lost their drive to make Sonic games
since Sonic 06 when people started bashing SEGA for Sonic Team's blunder,
seriously, its not SEGA its SONIC TEAM. Even a dude who worked there couldn't
tell the difference.
Quote from: SonicFan47 on Jul 31, 2009 06:14 PM
How does that make sense?
I'm a Mario fan, and I don't hate Sonic.
Well i mean their more of Nintendo fan from last gen and hated Sega hate time since Nintendo and Sega had compation.
Their ultimate Mario fans from last gen.... Or atleast that's why they hate Sonic Games.
Man, SEGA sucks for being so greedy >:(
really sega ??? sega should listen to the fans for good ideas like sonic adventure 3 but...it´s like they dont care >_>
I think Sega wantsa to make the best game for the time they have... They keep switching it up so all the games are not the same... ;D If they just wanted to make money, they would have came out with alot of more shitty games then they have... Sonic team has always gave it there all... It sounds like Ben was just salty...
wow segas that cheap thats why some sonic games suck
sonic never sucks tho