Sonic Zone

So Tana and I won't spam up topics about this.

Play SA2, grind on a rail.
Play SA2B, grind on a rail. Get completely unbalanced
Physics?
Play SA2, board down a hill and turn.
Play SA2B, board down a hill and tu- oops, your timing was off.
Physics?
Play SA2, use a ramp. -Flip- perfect landing, keep going
Play SA2B, use a ramp. Sorry, you were going just a bit *too* fast. You ran into a wall.
Logic?
Play SA2, get chased by a truck. Run down a hill.
Play SA2B, get chased by a truck, you got launched off the edge of the hill. Spindash to keep up, no sorry, you have to charge that.
Annoyance?

I do agree, SA2 was more "content heavy" MP wise. But Sonic isn't a multiplayer game. It's multiplayer isn't all that fun, it's annoying. Nobody likes kart racing. The levels are samey and unbalanced, the grindrail level is a pain.

The graphics look just bleh. They made the textures really bright, they messed around with the clipping. The models are really round. I never played the chao garden much so i have nothing there.

As for the framerate, it's completely invariable and slows down at times, even rather unnoticably. Sure it's higher and smoother but did framerate ever bother anyone? no. It also limits what they could have done with visual effects. Did I also mention the clipping?

I play one version then i play the other, and I will always call SA2 the "True" SA2

Remakes are meant to compliment a successful game. How does Battle compliment SA2?

i see no damn difference between the two games besides multiplayer and chao garden differences...
im dead serious

Quote from: SmashFinale on July 21, 2011, 06:05:18 AM
i see no damn difference between the two games besides multiplayer and chao garden differences...
im dead serious

Not even the obvious aesthetic changes?

no, not really, just updated framerate

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
Play SA2, board down a hill and turn.
Play SA2B, board down a hill and tu- oops, your timing was off.
Physics?
Play SA2, use a ramp. -Flip- perfect landing, keep going
Play SA2B, use a ramp. Sorry, you were going just a bit *too* fast. You ran into a wall.
Logic?

Once again, I've never had those problems. Either you suck, you remember incorrectly, or I'm Godly at the game. I'm polling for the second option. While my memory of SA2 is vague I do own both and I have to say I never noticed a difference outside the menu layout and graphics.

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
Play SA2, grind on a rail.
Play SA2B, grind on a rail. Get completely unbalanced

Don't touch the control stick. The problem only occurs if you play around with it and try to go faster. Just holding B works perfectly fine and keeps you at a decent pace.

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
Play SA2, get chased by a truck. Run down a hill.
Play SA2B, get chased by a truck, you got launched off the edge of the hill. Spindash to keep up, no sorry, you have to charge that.

You hold the button for one second, if that. It's not much of a problem unless you purposely don't let go. Then it's your fault.

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
I do agree, SA2 was more "content heavy" MP wise. But Sonic isn't a multiplayer game. It's multiplayer isn't all that fun, it's annoying. Nobody likes kart racing. The levels are samey and unbalanced, the grindrail level is a pain.

I recall the mutiplayer function in Sonic 2 being one of the most well remembered features. My cousins and I played the Sonic and Chao races for hours on end and had a shit ton of fun. Nobody likes cart racing, but the other modes make up for it. And the grind level is only a pain if you don't know how to grind, try to cheat or are mentally defunct. Even I have no problems with it. jkid has no problems with it.

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
The graphics look just bleh. They made the textures really bright, they messed around with the clipping. The models are really round. I never played the chao garden much so i have nothing there.

Clipping? And once again, those problems...I never noticed them. I don't nit pick my games, sweetie. :P

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
As for the framerate, it's completely invariable and slows down at times, even rather unnoticably. Sure it's higher and smoother but did framerate ever bother anyone? no. It also limits what they could have done with visual effects.

Once again, never noticed. You need a new Gamecube or something. Or a new disc. Oh, and did you just contradict yourself? If framerate never bothered anyone why the hell are you complaining about it? Maybe I'm just tired but I see something wrong there.

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 05:58:37 AM
I play one version then i play the other, and I will always call SA2 the "True" SA2

Remakes are meant to compliment a successful game. How does Battle compliment SA2?

I did too, and have the exact opposite opinion.

And it made it better. It added the shit ton of multiplayer features. It fixed and brought the Chao Kindergarden back to life. It may have cut any online features but over all the graphics became better, the menus became neater, it had connections with the Gameboy Advance alone, Sonic Adventure DX, Sonic Advance 1 and 2 and Sonic Pinball Party. Ad don't start with the "they removed Big" argument because he's still in the cutscenes and no one likes him, anyway.

Why the hell would I not wanna touch the control stick? Balancing made you grind faster in SA2. Once again, motherfudgin' logic.

As for my little contradiction, well you just saw wrong. Noone ever complained about the original's framerate, and the remakes framerate caused more issues.

Like you said, you don't nitpick your games. That's fine. But there are some little things that get to me and i just don't know why.

Adding content isn't always a compliment. They barely polished the game and when they did, they broke it.
If you wanna see what a remake is meant to be like, go look at Star Fox 64 3D, for example.


I suppose we have nothing more to say. To finish, i don't give two hoots about big.

I love you jkid :3

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 06:42:27 AM
Why the hell would I not wanna touch the control stick? Balancing made you grind faster in SA2. Once again, motherfudgin' logic.

Same here, I just don't find any need to use it since just holding B is sufficient.

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 06:42:27 AM
As for my little contradiction, well you just saw wrong. Noone ever complained about the original's framerate, and the remakes framerate caused more issues.

This is the first time I've heard anyone complain about either one.

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 06:42:27 AM
Adding content isn't always a compliment. They barely polished the game and when they did, they broke it.
If you wanna see what a remake is meant to be like, go look at Star Fox 64 3D, for example.

I fail to see your logic. All I saw were improvements.

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 06:42:27 AM
I love you jkid :3

Same here but I'm still not kissing your ass...metaphorically, anyway. *burned to hell*

Quote from: jkid101094 on July 21, 2011, 06:48:24 AM
Same here, I just don't find any need to use it since just holding B is sufficient.
This is the first time I've heard anyone complain about either one.
I fail to see your logic. All I saw were improvements.
Same here but I'm still not kissing your ass...metaphorically, anyway. *burned to hell*

Stop stalling and come out back already Jkid. xD

..You think I'm joking?

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 06:49:47 AM
Stop stalling and come out back already Jkid. xD

..You think I'm joking?

...We can't discuss this here. >.> <.<
...
Sadly we can't take it to MSN, either. Oh, what do?...*shot*

*punts the spam*

Quote from: jkid101094 on July 21, 2011, 06:52:41 AM

Sadly we can't take it to MSN, either.

Whyever not?

Umm....

I just realized that even though I hate grind race, I have a video of it on my channel..

Quote from: Tana~ on July 21, 2011, 06:57:29 AM
Whyever not?

Umm....

I just realized that even though I hate grind race, I have a video of it on my channel..

'Cause I still need to reinstall it...And Service Pack 2...and Platinum...dear God...

And I should try to record a speedrun or something. Just reinstalled Pinnacle Studio and I've wanted to record games from differentb systems for a long while.

use eBuddy or something

Yes, that should be epic. i need to get a gamepad for my PC to start doing Sonic videos again.

i dissagree with the haters they will say constant things and in retrospect they know them selves that theres no real difference

I wouldn't say something if it wasn't true, or at least questionable.

Ok why is this thread still open.

Quote from: SUPERWIND on July 24, 2011, 07:58:19 AM
Ok why is this thread still open.

So that others can share their opinions.

2 is better

SA2B is better
Chao Time

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm SOnic ADventure 2 :Battle is better 15/50

I think most people's problems stem from using emulators on varying performance PC's.

Sonic Adventure 2/Battle is my favorite sonic game of all time. So I've searched far and near for any possible methods to play it. And played through the whole thing on different systems many times.

I've played Sonic Adventure 2 on a real Dreamcast
And Sonic Adventure 2 Battle on a real GameCube

The main difference I saw in the actual storyline gameplay was that switching from gamecube to dreamcast the controls were different. Not just layout which is obvious. But the sensitivity of the analog sticks, the way the buttons feel and all that go into effect. Basically it's the same game, but with a different piece of plastic in your hand and slightly different methods of being rendered and interacted with on-screen. But since it looks and sounds almost IDENTICAL it's very hard to have even the slightest change.

I played SA2B many times through a few years back. And had no problems with physics. My biggest problem was, of course, camera angles.

Moving to the dreamcast proved a tough task to get used to. at first I couldn't even complete City Escape without dying. It has a lot to do with those tiny differences mainly caused by different hardware rendering the graphics and controls in your hands.

All that being said SA2B has more multiplayer and extras making it slightly more long-lasting to the player. But for the truly hardcore sonic fanboy nothing beats playing sonic's last game on sega's last system. it's magical and sad. But for practicality playing on the GC makes more sense because you get more from the same game.

...But, it's Nintendo's hardware. Not SEGA's. And to those of us who grew up on the Genesis, firmly believing that Sega does what Nintendon't.. it's still hard to accept that Sega's mascot is fooling around with Mario's system.

Being a Nintendo fan myself, isn't that a little odd? xD

One less piece of hardware for me to buy I guess. The funny thing is though when you use the same controller on both games and they still react in different ways. What you say is right though, indubitably.

Well, owning both systems, and both games, I can say I enjoyed the Dreamcast is better for singleplayer,
partly because of the hardware itself, and partly because that's what I grew up on,
but when it comes to multiplayer, the GameCube wins hands down.

It's like Sonic Adventure vs SADX, while the same in general design, the original SA
will always trump SADX, because of the small differences.

Given that I didn't like the multiplayer/ hardly had anyone to play with, I think I have a fair reason to think what I think.

Quote from: Tana~ on August 06, 2011, 06:26:17 AM
Given that I didn't like the multiplayer/ hardly had anyone to play with, I think I have a fair reason to think what I think.

Oh dear, you need to find someone to play with, multiplayer on the GC is a fantastic romp. I still play it to this day.

Quote from: Tana~ on August 06, 2011, 06:26:17 AM
Given that I didn't like the multiplayer/ hardly had anyone to play with, I think I have a fair reason to think what I think.

How can you judge local muliplayer if you had no one to play with!?

Didn't you read what I wrote? I judge it based on what I have played. But given I "Don't like it" and "hardly (don't usually?) have someone to play with", I don't need to take it into account to the better game.

I didn't know there was a difference until today...

Quote from: windlessusher on August 16, 2011, 02:43:28 PM
I didn't know there was a difference until today...

xDD

Quote from: Tana~ on August 16, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
xDD

Does my ignorance amuse you :l

Quote from: windlessusher on August 16, 2011, 04:12:47 PM
Does my ignorance amuse you :l

Yep. =F

SA2 was better than SA2B because there were more Big The Cat Places.

sa2b was better for the chao world...different areas there too....ntm that there were more playable characters...

SA2B you can transfer your chao to your GBA (Sonic Advanced 1 required)

Quote from: Shadow84786 on September 21, 2011, 10:53:14 AM
SA2B you can transfer your chao to your GBA (Sonic Advanced 1 required)

HOLY CRAP YOU'RE BACK.

And nope, you only need SA1 to save your Chao. Not using the game will create a Chao Copy which you can exploit to clone your chao.

I'm guessing sega actually wanted you to get unbalanced sometimes, because it would be more realistic? SA2B's truck can be alittle annoying, but not to bad, isn't SA2B suppost to be an upgrade of SA2?

SA2B graphics were better

here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KykDWyRprnM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KykDWyRprnM)
now ya see?

Apart from more multiplayer stages, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle doesn't have any more content. It has just taken Sonic Adventure 2's DLC and thrown it into the disc. Sonic Adventure 2 also has much better and bigger Chao Gardens, playable Big, Big cameos, and more solid framerate, is faster, and also has a special 'smoothing' option enabled. It also has more sound effects, and better looking character models.

I like both of the games equally, but I love the Chao System in SA2B. The only bad thing is that they made the garden's  are much smaller than SA2

I never played either one. I always thought both were the exact same.

I've only played SA2B, so I supposed I'm biased. But, I never got the chance to play the originals of any of Sonic games which were originally on Sega's consoles.  :'( But, I really like SA2B anyways, and if others say the original is better, well, I suppose I can imagine, right?

Quote from: Darth.Flipyap on September 11, 2012, 04:54:03 PM
I like both of the games equally, but I love the Chao System in SA2B. The only bad thing is that they made the garden's  are much smaller than SA2

i agree with darth because i love the chao system too

I honestly like both of them. But, SA2B is better. They added things that made the game better, especially the upgrade to the chao garden. I spent most of my time in there :)

Wow... So much arguing over points of view. Personally, I like SA2B and SA2HD simply because of the upgraded multiplayer and Chao systems.

Quote from: Darth.Flipyap on January 12, 2013, 01:56:44 PM
Wow... So much arguing over points of view. Personally, I like SA2B and SA2HD simply because of the upgraded multiplayer and Chao systems.

Pretty much all arguments are over opinions.

Quote from: Darth.Flipyap on January 12, 2013, 01:56:44 PM
Wow... So much arguing over points of view. Personally, I like SA2B and SA2HD simply because of the upgraded multiplayer and Chao systems.

thats what i said but there was a chao kindergarten in the original SA2 game in the dreamcast version too

That's a tough one. the original has faster loadtime and audio synchronisation, but Battle's Chao features are just AWESOME! Plus I liked having the extra multiplayer characters unlocked from the start(Chao Walkers need to come back! :D).