UK Retail Giant 'Asda' no longer stocking Wii U Systems

Tanassy · July 30, 2013, 07:27:24 AM

I didn't say promises.. I said promise. There are a tonne of confirmed games on both other systems, ja? people like them, they're interested in them. Some have even experienced demos. Those systems have promise.

And you must have VERY narrow preferences, or very narrow exposure to upcoming games, if you say that.. not meaning to be rude here. I mean, as I said even I am interested in so many more games on those platforms..

Hakudamashi · July 30, 2013, 07:33:08 AM

Quote from: Iris Sapphire on July 30, 2013, 07:27:24 AM
And you must have VERY narrow preferences, or very narrow exposure to upcoming games, if you say that.. not meaning to be rude here. I mean, as I said even I am interested in so many more games on those platforms..

Yeah, I worded that part wrong. I meant to say just the fact they better hardware wouldn't mean much if it's not used right, and by "right", I mean in a way that I like.

From looking at what the PS4 and Xbone are doing, I am also excite, heck, I already got a PS4 pre-ordered for inFamous and Knack, and I've been sold on that whole game sharing thing.

What I was trying to get at is that I would like people to bash the consoles for their games, not their hardware, cause what's within the console won't matter if the developers don't use it in areas that the people care for.

Tanassy · July 30, 2013, 07:47:36 AM

Well, it can go either way.. sometimes, even developers bash hardware, because it's no use to them, they can't use it the way they want to. And that's what's happening with the Wii U.

Hakudamashi · July 30, 2013, 07:55:38 AM

Quote from: Iris Sapphire on July 30, 2013, 07:47:36 AM
Well, it can go either way.. sometimes, even developers bash hardware, because it's no use to them, they can't use it the way they want to. And that's what's happening with the Wii U.

Well, Nintendo is a software company first that develops their own games. I'm sure if the Wii U is weird to use, it's cause Nintendo has their own plans on how to use it, and just hoped the 3rd party devs would hop on board.
Nintendo is pretty old school, and they outright refuse to conform to how developers these days do their games, so I guess that may be a reason why 3rd party developers just don't develop for Nintendo's consoles...

But again, I bought the Wii U for Nintendo's games. All those third party games I get on my PC, or that PS4 I'll be getting in November.

Again, I understand why people are upset with the Wii U, especially if they can only afford one console, I just want the community to bash it because they're not into Nintendo's games, not because of hardware, only developers can do anything about the hardware.
I mean, they put up with the Cell Processor...

Tanassy · July 30, 2013, 08:06:25 AM

Nintendo is indeed old fashioned.. it's been around for so long, and their methods are fairly archaic. That's part of the problem, and the reason why other companies aren't hopping on board.

The only contradiction to what you say just now though.. is that Nintendo are actually trying to push third-party support. For both the 3DS and Wii U, they promised to have third parties all over them. They have failed on that.
So it's impossible to say they merely had their own plans and wanted other to hop on board.

Also, the cell processor was awkward to use, but it was at least more powerful than the competition. That's why it slowly gained popularity and then sat alongside the 360 as it does now, people were WILLING to get used to it, and get the most out of it. The PS3 was a true 7th generation platform. The Wii U doesn't have the honor of being a true 8th generation system on the hardware level.

Hakudamashi · July 30, 2013, 08:15:44 AM

Quote from: Iris Sapphire on July 30, 2013, 08:06:25 AM
The Wii U doesn't have the honor of being a true 8th generation system on the hardware level.

Ugh
A generation is simply a number of entities that were born around the same period. The Wii U could have the specs of the Atari Jaguar and it'd still be 8th Gen. You can't just change the meaning of the word Generation just cause you don't think Nintendo "deserves" it.

Besides, even if that's what Generation meant, the PS4 and Xbone don't have next gen hardware, the PC has had these parts available for years...

Tanassy · July 30, 2013, 09:45:56 AM

Of course, but we're not talking about PC's. we're talking about console generations. And a generation is often defined by levels of technology that are key at that point in time. In taht regard, both the Wii and Wii U are behind their respective generations in hardware.

Look, you may be ticked off by me mentioning it, and I don't like doing that, but what I'm saying is true, and the reason I'm saying it is because it matters. Not to me, to developers. To consumers.

But GG, for avoiding all of my other points leading up to that, and making me look like I'm just bashing at the Wii U's power.

If consoles were made with current PC hardware they'd be overpriced. And I mean around $3000 sort of overpriced. Consoles are made with the best possible compromise and parts that are made, unlike PCs, to work well with each other as a single entity.

This is why a console generation defines the level gaming is at currently. Every generation is expected to have a leap, and the Wii U doesn't provide a "next-gen" experience. At all. It's only new feature that hasn't been done before is the gamepad.

You saying "Ugh" makes me say "Ugh". You tend to always miss the point of what I say.

So let me say it again.
"The Cell processor was awkward to use, but it was at least more powerful than the competition. That's why it slowly gained popularity and then sat alongside the 360 as it does now, people were WILLING to get used to it, and get the most out of it."
This is not the case with the Wii U. People don't give a crap. It doesn't have nearly as much potential to the gamer or developer looking to make leaps in the gaming world. So because of that, nobody is going to take the risk of buying/developing for it, because it will not likely get any better in the foreseeable future. The only thing that can save it is if it sells significantly more, and that can only happen if Nintendo make something mind blowing within the limits of their system.

That's is why, in this situation, the hardware, yes, is indeed a serious contribution to the overall failure of this console, at this point in time. Nintendo failed on almost every edge, and they don't even have power to back onto, like the PS3 did. While a slight oversight... it's perfectly justified. Developers and players saying the Wii U is failing due to hardware- they're not right, but they're certainly not wrong either.
So they don't merely blame the games (or lack thereof), they also blame the hardware.
And to be perfectly honest, because of the hardware, the Wii U is doomed to the fate of the Wii. Even if they sold a console to everyone and their mother.. the hardware would eventually become the bank of only first and second-party Nintendo games, and inferior ports.

Hakudamashi · July 30, 2013, 10:33:34 AM

Quote from: Iris Sapphire on July 30, 2013, 09:45:56 AM
But GG, for avoiding all of my other points leading up to that, and making me look like I'm just bashing at the Wii U's power.

I didn't quote the other parts because I agreed with you...
I just quoted the part I could make a comment on, that being the misuse of the word Generation.

Unless you wanted me to post