Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

[shadowDOESrock]

[NiGHTS]

Only lightning playable? About damn time, with Fang and Vanille out of the picture anyway : <

and now to buy no new games and sit an wait for this... to be delayed... and delayed again... and again.

[Hakudamashi]

So, why does FFXIII get a trilogy?

[NiGHTS]

So, why does FFXIII get a trilogy?

Because Square had decided to try and salvage their "wreck" of a game (That I thought was actually pretty good) by making FFXIII-2 which got good reviews and had a very open ending, so that they could create another. Instead of just being sell-outs by cashing in of FFVII remakes every couple of years.

[SmashFinale]

Why does every new Final Fantasy game after 7 get so much hate? You dont see LoZ games after OoT being detested on every new release...

[shadowDOESrock]

Why does every new Final Fantasy game after 7 get so much hate? You dont see LoZ games after OoT being detested on every new release...

Lol, you must be living under a rock.

Wind Waker was hated until Twilight Princess came out. Then suddenly Wind Waker was good.
Twilight Princess was hated until Skyward Sword came out. Then suddenly Twilight Princess was good.
Skyward Sword wasa also hated until release.

I still hate it, because it just fucking sucks.

[SmashFinale]

Lol, you must be living under a rock.

Wind Waker was hated until Twilight Princess came out. Then suddenly Wind Waker was good.
Twilight Princess was hated until Skyward Sword came out. Then suddenly Twilight Princess was good.
Skyward Sword wasa also hated until release.

I still hate it, because it just fucking sucks.

I know Wind Waker was despised... until people actually played it. But that doesnt answer the question on why Final Fantasy gets all the fan-faggotry on it?

[NiGHTS]

I know Wind Waker was despised... until people actually played it. But that doesnt answer the question on why Final Fantasy gets all the fan-faggotry on it?

Final fantasy VII fanboys. You know, the ones who aren't actual fans of the series but rather one game, and thus believe that every one that isn't FFVII sucks.

Some of these also exist for FFX but they aren't as abundant.

[Hakudamashi]

Why does every new Final Fantasy game after 7 get so much hate? You dont see LoZ games after OoT being detested on every new release...

Um, no
People don't say that for FFIX. But After FFIX, the final fantasy games have dropped in quality.
FFX with how f*ck annoying Tidus was
Never played FFXI
FFXII had a boring ass political story
And FFXIII took away all things that made Final Fantasy what it is and just became some JRPG with the Final Fantasy name attached to it.

Also, can I just say this trailer looks like ass? Those graphics and framerate for a SquareEnix game of all things has me worried...

[NiGHTS]

Um, no
People don't say that for FFIX. But After FFIX, the final fantasy games have dropped in quality.
FFX with how f*ck annoying Tidus was
Never played FFXI
FFXII had a boring ass political story
And FFXIII took away all things that made Final Fantasy what it is and just became some JRPG with the Final Fantasy name attached to it.

Also, can I just say this trailer looks like ass? Those graphics and framerate for a SquareEnix game of all things has me worried...

What? So square aren't allowed to vary their games? From what I gather from your post, you want all the final fantasy games to follow set guidelines and be the same thing over and over. This isn't CoD we are playing.

[shadowDOESrock]

From what I gather from your post, you want all the final fantasy games to follow set guidelines and be the same thing over and over. This isn't CoD we are playing.

You change the formula a bit, but leave the core - people complain.
You dont change the forumla and leave it the same to please the fans - people complain.


And what did we learn today, kids?
That People will complain either way and Developers will just do the Projects they want to do and enjoy making, to make their dream products.

[Hakudamashi]

What? So square aren't allowed to vary their games? From what I gather from your post, you want all the final fantasy games to follow set guidelines and be the same thing over and over. This isn't CoD we are playing.

Um... that's kinda what a franchise is supposed to do... If Square wanted to create a new experience they'd make a new IP

[shadowDOESrock]

Um... that's kinda what a franchise is supposed to do... If Square wanted to create a new experience they'd make a new IP

No.
A Franchise is supposed to evolve and change the formula.
It is supposed to move along with the times, while still being itself.

Which is what Final Fantasy does almost perfectly.
This is what the Developers want THEIR Work to be.

Then, there is the exact oposite of developers, who play it safe.
Enter Dynasty Warriors and Call of Duty.

[Hakudamashi]

No.
A Franchise is supposed to evolve and change the formula.
It is supposed to move along with the times, while still being itself.

Change the formula? I don't think so
I believe a franchise is supposed to be a consistent collection of ideas(the formula) that you add to with every iteration.
Like the Kirby franchise, The formula being that it's a platformer where the main character flies and attacks by sucking up enemies
You start the franchise barebones for the first game, then add to that with each new game
I can't say much about the first 3 Kirby games, But what Kirby 64 added was the power to combine powers, then The Amazing Mirror added the idea of 4-player co op and gave the existing forms more abilitites, and Squeak Squad added the ability to store power ups, things like that. Then look at Kirby's Epic Yarn, they took away/changed the Kirby formula, that is, took away his power to fly and suck up enemies, so then, why did this have to be Kirby game?

Final Fantasy DID do this perfectly up until FFXIII
Unlike the other Final Fantasies, XIII does not have an overworld, does not have the ability to control your team during combat, does not have neither of the 2 main Final Fantasy themes, doesn't even have the Final Fantasy victory theme, party doesn't learn Ultima, the linearity of the game,
I mean, I ask you, what in FFXIII felt like a Final Fantasy game? Chocobos, Moogles and other classic Final Fantasy enemies? They felt more like references than anything...

Heck, you can even look at the new DMC, with all the sh*t they've changed with it, the game still feels like a Devil May Cry game and not a Devil May Cryish action game cause the core formula is still intact.

And that Call of Duty argument of being the "same game" is only true for World at War and MW2. Try playing BLOPII like you play COD4 and see what happens to you.

[shadowDOESrock]

and they tried hard to please the fans with XII-2 and now Lightning Returns, while retaining THEIR Idea of THEIR Game.



What if you developed a sequel to your childhood dream game and changed it up a bit and everyone would hate you then?
Then you'd try really hard to still get your ideas through while pleasing your fans and everyone still hates you?