It's bad enough that PULSE, a show that's all about the playstation stuff is showcasing Xbox360 ver. of ports, but what's with this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2z600bdRlI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2z600bdRlI)
Say how much you prefer the Xbox360 over PS3 or whatever, but why would you not tell your viewers that the game costs $10.00 on PSN? Or hell, you'd get it free if you got PS+? I swear if I didn't know any better, I'd think it was XBLA exclusive...
And another, up until recently when professional game sites list the consoles the game is out for, they did so in alphabetical order, now they like have Xbox360 in front of the list 90% of the time.
This may mean nothing to the rest of you, but this whole favouritism towards the Xbox360 is really getting on my nerves.
You didnt complain when everyone used the PS2 to Review. So quit yer bitchin'.
The most 'popular' console will be used to review multi-platform games. end of story.
Thats how it is, Thats how it was, Thats how it always will be.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
You didnt complain when everyone used the PS2 to Review. So quit yer bitchin'.
The most 'popular' console will be used to review multi-platform games. end of story.
Thats how it is, Thats how it was, Thats how it always will be.
This and always this.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
You didnt complain when everyone used the PS2 to Review. So quit yer bitchin'.
The most 'popular' console will be used to review multi-platform games. end of story.
Thats how it is, Thats how it was, Thats how it always will be.
I'm not even complaining about them using the Xbox360 port in their review, just that I think it's bad professionally that they never mentioned that this game was even on the PS3, I'm very sure in the PS2 glory days it was mentioned that it was also on Gamecube and Xbox.
That's all fine and dandy if it's a supposed unbias game journalist, but the thing is with shows like PULSE who are all about Playstation news, its a tad disrespectful(not sure if right word to use) to be showing the Xbox360 ver. don'tcha think?
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 12:40:14 PM
I'm not even complaining about them using the Xbox360 port in their review, just that I think it's bad professionally that they never mentioned that this game was even on the PS3, I'm very sure in the PS2 glory days it was mentioned that it was also on Gamecube and Xbox.
It says what system it is for on the GT-Site - The Reviews where never really designed for YouTube.
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 12:40:14 PM
That's all fine and dandy if it's a supposed unbias game journalist, but the thing is with shows like PULSE who are all about Playstation news, its a tad disrespectful(not sure if right word to use) to be showing the Xbox360 ver. don'tcha think?
I have no clue what PULSE is, but if its supposed to be be playstation exclusive, it shouldnt use an xbox version.
UNLESS
a) They want a review out early - but its 'first' available on 360.
b) If you're a big reviewer, you get lots of games sponsored - if the publisher (by mistake or not knowing that they're platform-exclusive) send in a 360 Version of a title, they'll just have to use that.
And it just so happens that you lose less money by sending 360 copies instead of PS3 copies.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 12:48:06 PM
It says what system it is for on the GT-Site - The Reviews where never really designed for YouTube.
Regardless, they should've mentioned it in the review itself.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 12:48:06 PM
It says what system it is for on the GT-Site - The Reviews where never really designed for YouTube.
I have no clue what PULSE is, but if its supposed to be be playstation exclusive, it shouldnt use an xbox version.
UNLESS
a) They want a review out early - but its 'first' available on 360.
b) If you're a big reviewer, you get lots of games sponsored - if the publisher (by mistake or not knowing that they're platform-exclusive) send in a 360 Version of a title, they'll just have to use that.
And it just so happens that you lose less money by sending 360 copies instead of PS3 copies.
PULSE IS Playstation exclusive, and it come on PSN once every 2 weeks, and if it's a case where the 360 ver. is available first, then shouldn't they wait until the PS3 ver. is out before they show it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFjjhskPdo&list=PL6A1CD08FCDF606A4&index=1&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFjjhskPdo&list=PL6A1CD08FCDF606A4&index=1&feature=plpp_video)
This is just an example, they used the Xbox ver. of I am alive.
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 12:57:24 PM
Regardless, they should've mentioned it in the review itself.
PULSE IS Playstation exclusive, and it come on PSN once every 2 weeks, and if it's a case where the 360 ver. is available first, then shouldn't they wait until the PS3 ver. is out before they show it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFjjhskPdo&list=PL6A1CD08FCDF606A4&index=1&feature=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sFjjhskPdo&list=PL6A1CD08FCDF606A4&index=1&feature=plpp_video)
This is just an example, they used the Xbox ver. of I am alive.
I am alive almost came out a month earlier on 360.
They probably had to keep it on schedule and used footage directly by ubisoft, not their own recordings.
thats just my guess though
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 01:11:06 PM
I am alive almost came out a month earlier on 360.
They probably had to keep it on schedule and used footage directly by ubisoft, not their own recordings.
thats just my guess though
So if I understand you correctly, Ubisoft could not spare any footage whatsoever of the PS3 ver. of I Am Alive to this Sony exclusive news show at the risk of cause fanboys to nerd rage about stuff like this?
And what makes me more suspicious that this started in the late 2011(about October), but they only did it with one game, and it happened very rarely, but recently(within the last month or so) almost all the ports they show is the 360 ver...
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 01:22:04 PM
So if I understand you correctly, Ubisoft could not spare any footage whatsoever of the PS3 ver. of I Am Alive to this Sony exclusive news show at the risk of cause fanboys to nerd rage about stuff like this?
And what makes me more suspicious that this started in the late 2011(about October), but they only did it with one game, and it happened very rarely, but recently(within the last month or so) almost all the ports they show is the 360 ver...
no, what i'm saying is there probably was no PS3 footage at all until the title was released - so they had to use existing stock-footage that ubisoft had shown to showcase the game.
This show aired a week before i am alive was released for the PS3
And probably most of their footage is stock-footage of a dev. walkthrough or something, and those just happen to be on the 360 for the most part.
Well, I have no idea what their "schedule" is like, so telling them to wait until PS3 footage is released is kinda out of the question...
But here's my question, why exactly is the Xbox360 the console of choice anyway? I need to make sure that I'm not blinded by fanboyism...
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 01:52:44 PM
Well, I have no idea what their "schedule" is like, so telling them to wait until PS3 footage is released is kinda out of the question...
But here's my question, why exactly is the Xbox360 the console of choice anyway? I need to make sure that I'm not blinded by fanboyism...
For Dev's; 360 is easier to develop for, thus most of the time they dev it for the 360 and then port it over
For Publishers spending a copy; spending a free DVD is cheaper than spending a free Blu-Ray for them.
plus as stated above, there still might be some problems with the PS3 Port on an early review version.
As for reviewers... there really isnt a reason to use the 360 over the PS3.
Maybe because the button prompts are shinier or they prefer the controller or its because of what i stated above.
Or maybe because most people will buy it on the 360 anyway.
No real reason.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 02:38:48 PM
For Dev's; 360 is easier to develop for, thus most of the time they dev it for the 360 and then port it over
For Publishers spending a copy; spending a free DVD is cheaper than spending a free Blu-Ray for them.
plus as stated above, there still might be some problems with the PS3 Port on an early review version.
As for reviewers... there really isnt a reason to use the 360 over the PS3.
Maybe because the button prompts are shinier or they prefer the controller or its because of what i stated above.
Or maybe because most people will buy it on the 360 anyway.
No real reason.
For more info on this, see the "You Were Right SmashFinale" topic. *shotdead*
But for the most part, PS3 programming is much more difficult than 360 and most of the time they send a trailer for it they are probably still working on the project UNLESS they have a PS3 exclusive content to show.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 02:38:48 PM
For Dev's; 360 is easier to develop for, thus most of the time they dev it for the 360 and then port it over
For Publishers spending a copy; spending a free DVD is cheaper than spending a free Blu-Ray for them.
plus as stated above, there still might be some problems with the PS3 Port on an early review version.
I already knew all that in the case of Xbox360 vs. PS3, but what about when there's a PC ver.?
I mean sure, no matter what any "reviewer" does or say, the PC is always best (Well all games are made on a PC first, so it should), but my 360 gripe still stands because of button layout...
When I play any recent PC game that allows the use of the gamepad, it shows me the Xbox360 controller and uses it's buttons... My gamepad's buttons are labelled 1-12, not X,B,Y,A,etc. And not only do they force me to get used to the 360 buttons, but I can't even change the button layout, Doesn't matter if I prefer to use the shoulder buttons for shooting, it forces me to use triggers, and there's not a damn thing I can do about it...
And to add insult to injury, the gamepads that were selling in my local game store has the 360 button layout and triggers, instead of 1-10/12.
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 03:06:41 PM
I already knew all that in the case of Xbox360 vs. PS3, but what about when there's a PC ver.?
I mean sure, no matter what any "reviewer" does or say, the PC is always best (Well all games are made on a PC first, so it should), but my 360 gripe still stands because of button layout...
When I play any recent PC game that allows the use of the gamepad, it shows me the Xbox360 controller and uses it's buttons... My gamepad's buttons are labelled 1-12, not X,B,Y,A,etc. And not only do they force me to get used to the 360 buttons, but I can't even change the button layout, Doesn't matter if I prefer to use the shoulder buttons for shooting, it forces me to use triggers, and there's not a damn thing I can do about it...
And to add insult to injury, the gamepads that were selling in my local game store has the 360 button layout and triggers, instead of 1-10/12.
Probably due to the fact that usually they want to showcase console games instead of PC and Handhelds. As far as gamepads i think its to get better sales with traditional gamepad buttons instead of 1-12 as that might be confusing to some consumers
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 03:06:41 PM
I already knew all that in the case of Xbox360 vs. PS3, but what about when there's a PC ver.?
I mean sure, no matter what any "reviewer" does or say, the PC is always best (Well all games are made on a PC first, so it should), but my 360 gripe still stands because of button layout...
When I play any recent PC game that allows the use of the gamepad, it shows me the Xbox360 controller and uses it's buttons... My gamepad's buttons are labelled 1-12, not X,B,Y,A,etc. And not only do they force me to get used to the 360 buttons, but I can't even change the button layout, Doesn't matter if I prefer to use the shoulder buttons for shooting, it forces me to use triggers, and there's not a damn thing I can do about it...
And to add insult to injury, the gamepads that were selling in my local game store has the 360 button layout and triggers, instead of 1-10/12.
'Cause PC Sales - 'Cause PC Ports - 'Cause PC Multiplayer - 'Cause PC DRM - 'Cause PC Release Dates
'Cause its easier to organize everything for one platform
As for the controller; The Xbox 360 Controller is the standard PC-Controller. That's just how it is.
And i've never even heard of a controller where the buttons are numbered. o,o
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 03:16:59 PM
And i've never even heard of a controller where the buttons are numbered. o,o
That's weird....they used to be in every game store before 2005.
Quote from: SmashFinale on May 06, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
That's weird....they used to be in every game store before 2005.
I always played with mouse & keyboard. I never bought PC (gaming) accessories... 'cause PC.
Infact, i didnt give a fuck 'bout PC Gaming till Crysis came along... 'cause PC.
Quote from: SmashFinale on May 06, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
That's weird....they used to be in every game store before 2005.
This, so how did the Xbox360 controller become the standard for a console that isn't the Xbox360? The PC had their own numbered controllers that worked perfectly and were just as customisable as the keyboard & mouse controls, why change it to a controller that is soooooooo restricting?
Those PC contollers also came in whatever shape you wanted so that you literally could play game how you wanted.
This is the one I have
(http://www.qfonic.com/images/products/lt-963292-1914/image01.jpg)
This is tthe one that's selling now...
(http://0.tqn.com/d/compactiongames/1/0/d/o/1/logitechf310_gp.jpg)
all my rage
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 03:16:59 PM
'Cause PC Sales - 'Cause PC Ports - 'Cause PC Multiplayer - 'Cause PC DRM - 'Cause PC Release Dates
'Cause its easier to organize everything for one platform
So like the Xbox360 is the most popular and preferred console because it's the cheapest, and easiest to work with? That would've sit well with me, if it wasn't for the fact that it's expensive on the consumers in the long run... if you want to play online that is...
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 03:29:20 PM
This, so how did the Xbox360 controller become the standard for a console that isn't the Xbox360? The PC had their own numbered controllers that worked perfectly and were just as customisable as the keyboard & mouse controls, why change it to a controller that is soooooooo restricting?
Those PC contollers also came in whatever shape you wanted so that you literally could play game how you wanted.
This is the one I have
(http://www.qfonic.com/images/products/lt-963292-1914/image01.jpg)
This is tthe one that's selling now...
(http://0.tqn.com/d/compactiongames/1/0/d/o/1/logitechf310_gp.jpg)
all my rage
So like the Xbox360 is the most popular and preferred console because it's the cheapest, and easiest to work with? That would've sit well with me, if it wasn't for the fact that it's expensive on the consumers in the long run... if you want to play online that is...
The 50 bucks per year are totally worth it.
I, to this date, did not regret once going into the store for a PS3 and then coming out with the Xbox 360 instead.
And using the xbox controller makes porting easier since they simply can use the console layout
and also enforces the control-scheme to the way the game was ment to be played with a controller.
in theory, its still customizable, but no one gives a fuck anymore. Well... you do.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 03:40:14 PM
The 50 bucks per year are totally worth it.
I, to this date, did not regret once going into the store for a PS3 and then coming out with the Xbox 360 instead.
What do you get for spending $50 per yer year for Xbox Live vs. spending $50 per year for PS+?
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 03:40:14 PM
And using the xbox controller makes porting easier since they simply can use the console layout
and also enforces the control-scheme to the way the game was ment to be played with a controller.
So they demoted a feature that made PC gaming amazing on account of being lazy? f*ck modern game devs.
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 03:46:25 PM
So they demoted a feature that made PC gaming amazing on account of being lazy? f*ck modern game devs.
they made PC gaming better and easier with that.
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 03:46:25 PM
What do you get for spending $50 per yer year for Xbox Live vs. spending $50 per year for PS+?
(http://puu.sh/tnbR)
It gives me absolutely nothing different.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 03:55:14 PM
all i know is that PS+ gives you free downloadable games here and then and that it exists since 2010.
It's 2 free full PS3 games, some mini games, and a few PSOne classics, every month, among a whole bunch of other stuff.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 03:55:14 PM
they made PC gaming better and easier with that.
How does taking away freedom of customisation and being forced to a strict button layout(that I dislike personally) makes PC gaming "better"?
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 03:55:14 PM
(http://puu.sh/tnbR)
It gives me absolutely nothing different.
So you also get free Xbox games every month?
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 04:02:24 PM
It's 2 free full PS3 games, some mini games, and a few PSOne classics, every month, among a whole bunch of other stuff.
How does taking away freedom of customisation and being forced to a strict button layout(that I dislike personally) makes PC gaming "better"?
So you also get free Xbox games every month?
the first thing, is a matter of opinion. i like to pick up and play. on the other hand, i've never been a fan of pc gaming. 'cause pc gaming.
---------------
ultimately, its the exact same content aside from the free games (prices can drop to as low to 240 points, though) atleast since PS+ was introduced - aside from cross-game chat, video-chat, tv, youtube, last.fm, a music marketplace (not sure if the PS3 has that, i know sony has their own service for that though) and two different movie marketplaces, twitter & werent down for a month.
Oh, and we dont have PlayStation Home & a Browser. lol.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 04:22:57 PM
the first thing, is a matter of opinion. i like to pick up and play. on the other hand, i've never been a fan of pc gaming. 'cause pc gaming.
Then why not have both options? Have the fully customisable PC gamepad AND the Xbox360 controller? The PC ver. of [Prototype] did it...
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 04:22:57 PM
ultimately, its the exact same content aside from the free games (prices can drop to as low to 240 points, though) atleast since PS+ was introduced - aside from cross-game chat, video-chat, tv, youtube, last.fm, a music marketplace (not sure if the PS3 has that, i know sony has their own service for that though) and two different movie marketplaces, twitter & werent down for a month.
However, when the Xbox live subscription ends, you lose all online privledges till you pay $50, however once the PS+ subscription ends, you only lose all the free sh*t, that's quite a deciding factor for the console of choice... for me at least.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 04:22:57 PM
Oh, and we dont have PlayStation Home & a Browser. lol.
Yeah well our browser is a piece of sh*t, so don't even count that >.>
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 04:47:23 PM
Then why not have both options? Have the fully customisable PC gamepad AND the Xbox360 controller? The PC ver. of [Prototype] did it...
However, when the Xbox live subscription ends, you lose all online privledges till you pay $50, however once the PS+ subscription ends, you only lose all the free sh*t, that's quite a deciding factor for the console of choice... for me at least.
Yeah well our browser is a piece of sh*t, so don't even count that >.>
'Cause they want their game to played with their design 'cause thats how they designed it.
And unless you are poor, neither xbox live nor playstation+ should be a problem.
with xbox live you are just better connected with your friends, without having them in your living room.
playstation+ you get free things that you cant keep.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
'Cause they want their game to played with their design 'cause thats how they designed it.
How does giving another option for your fans to enjoy your game ruin their design? Unless their design is to restrict player choice as much as possible...
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
And unless you are poor, neither xbox live nor playstation+ should be a problem.
with xbox live you are just better connected with your friends, without having them in your living room.
playstation+ you get free things that you cant keep.
I'm not poor, but it's still a problem, because not only do I not have a credit card of my own to buy it online, but the cards themselves don't sell in my country, thus the only way for me to get one is to beg my brother around Christmas time, meaning, since the subscription lasts 12 months, worst case scenario I either have to go a whole year or one week(providing he feels generous on Christmas day)without it. With PS+ all I'm losing is things I got for free, so there's no right to complain, but with Xbox, I can never do anything online...
And what do you mean by "better connected with friends"?
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 05:17:00 PM
How does giving another option for your fans to enjoy your game ruin their design? Unless their design is to restrict player choice as much as possible...
I'm not poor, but it's still a problem, because not only do I not have a credit card of my own to buy it online, but the cards themselves don't sell in my country, thus the only way for me to get one is to beg my brother around Christmas time, meaning, since the subscription lasts 12 months, worst case scenario I either have to go a whole year or one week(providing he feels generous on Christmas day)without it. With PS+ all I'm losing is things I got for free, so there's no right to complain, but with Xbox, I can never do anything online...
And what do you mean by "better connected with friends"?
now you are pulling words out my mouth that never i said. i never said it 'ruins' their design. i'm saying that they want their game to be played with the control scheme(s) they came up with it, 'cause thats the way it was ment to be played.
i could be wrong and they're just lazy - who knows. but anyways.
and with better connected with friends i mean,
one can watch TV, one can watch a movie, one can play a game, one can listen to music, two play call of duty -
yet everyone can be in one (video) chat and talk together.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 05:38:22 PM
now you are pulling words out my mouth that never i said. i never said it 'ruins' their design. i'm saying that they want their game to be played with the control scheme(s) they came up with it, 'cause thats the way it was ment to be played.
So, why not have that ALONG with the ability to customise the controls how you feel like?
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 05:38:22 PM
i could be wrong and they're just lazy - who knows.
I think it is laziness
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 05:38:22 PM
and with better connected with friends i mean,
one can watch TV, one can watch a movie, one can play a game, one can listen to music, two play call of duty -
yet everyone can be in one (video) chat and talk together.
I don't think I have the kind of friends to make use of that feature, and besides, isn't that what smart phones are for?
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 05:54:00 PM
I don't think I have the kind of friends to make use of that feature, and besides, isn't that what smart phones are for?
Xbox Live costs way less than a night-long phone-call or night-long data consumption.
There is skype on pc - however, leaning back with a kinect or that small lightweight headset is just more comfortable, in my opinion at least.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 05:59:26 PM
however, leaning back with a kinect or that small lightweight headset is just more comfortable, in my opinion at least.
If I recall, you could do that with the PS3, but the downside was you could'n't do anything else while it was on...I think...
Quote from: windlessusher on May 06, 2012, 06:07:04 PM
If I recall, you could do that with the PS3, but the downside was you could'n't do anything else while it was on...I think...
there is no cross-game/app chat on the PS3 - and if there is, it has been added later. The Vita is able to that though.
You know, i'm actually a sony-snob - but i never got into purchasing a PS3.
I went into the store to buy one, but ultimately decided to buy a 360, just 'cause the controller is just that much more comfortable.
Then i wanted to buy one for the MMO Blade & Soul. But that game has vanished into the nothingness.
oh well.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 06, 2012, 06:15:50 PM
just 'cause the controller is just that much more comfortable.
It's the opposite with me, the wireless controller doesn't agree well with my fat hands.
Also the D-pad is absolute ass.
Quote from: Iris Sapphire on May 06, 2012, 07:44:46 PM
Wrong, sir.
Enlighten me with your space magic, good sir.
Your definition of a "PC" is what you know as a Windows PC. One usually with x86 CPU architecture. (or x64)
Console Games are developed using devkits, on the hardware they're being developed on. They aren't designed to run on x86 architecture. And they do not run on PCs.
Quote from: Iris Sapphire on May 06, 2012, 08:06:06 PM
Your definition of a "PC" is what you know as a Windows PC. One usually with x86 CPU architecture. (or x64)
Console Games are developed using devkits, on the hardware they're being developed on. They aren't designed to run on x86 architecture. And they do not run on PCs.
Thanks for the clarification Ivo.
PC has all the benefits of Xbox Live for free. It even comes with an internet browser.
Quote from: Elija2 on May 07, 2012, 08:49:45 AM
PC has all the benefits of Xbox Live for free. It even comes with an internet browser.
Except, for whatever reason, PC doesn't have Gears of War... But since there are like soo many other TPS for the PC...
Quote from: windlessusher on May 07, 2012, 08:58:48 AM
Except, for whatever reason, PC doesn't have Gears of War... But since there are like soo many other TPS for the PC...
'cause PC sales on the first one where complete ass, so they didnt bother with the sequels AND they wanted to focus their time on money on additional content instead.
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on May 07, 2012, 09:32:42 AM
'cause PC sales on the first one were complete ass, so they didnt bother with the sequels AND they wanted to focus their time on money on additional content instead.
Alan Wake says hi.
But seriously though, what was wrong with the PC ver. of GoW 1?
Quote from: windlessusher on May 07, 2012, 10:05:45 AM
But seriously though, what was wrong with the PC ver. of GoW 1?
Nothing, really. Just that no one gave a fuck on the PC and it sold bad.
PC sales of most multi platform titles are complete ass on PC. The blame always goes to piracy.
Halo 2 on Xbox; 8million copies - Halo 2 on PC; 20'000 copies. You get the idea.
In fact, most publishers hate the PC platform thanks to piracy.
Enter Steam & onLive (and some other services) to bring PC gaming to its glory... ...and its actually working.
Hail Steam