For Sonic Adventure 2 Fans......

[Tanassy]

It's not Sonic adventure 3.

Internally, it was never an adventure game. It was designed with the idea in mind "What if Sonic were in real life" but never aligned with the adventure games, which is actually quite funny since they tried to pull so much over from it. This was one of the reasons they fell so hard, so many gameplay styles.

But you're just being foolish if you're going to keep saying it's Sonic Adventure 3, and I'm sorry, but you're just being an idiot by constantly arguing with someone who isn't going to stop calling you a dumbass. It doesn't get any less convincing either.

So you two fuckin' quit your whining you babies.

[jkid101094]

OHOHOHOHOHOHO YOU ARE SO WRONG

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL45FXiU5g2Q-25vCiShWGIOVBDLaAcPGz

PATCHES CAN NOT FIX THIS GAME.

Back to this, though. I've forgotten most of Clement's points already, and I have no reason to disagree with them having never played the game, but patches could seem to fix most of the problems. It would take a pretty HUGE patch, but a good chunk of the problems are fixable. The loading especially. However that's assuming SEGA has the money to fix it which I doubt it does.

Remind me why, because I'm sure I'm wrong, but the un-fixable problems seem to be in the story mode.

[Tanassy]

Back to this, though. I've forgotten most of Clement's points already, and I have no reason to disagree with them having never played the game, but patches could seem to fix most of the problems. It would take a pretty HUGE patch, but a good chunk of the problems are fixable. The loading especially. However that's assuming SEGA has the money to fix it which I doubt it does.

Remind me why, because I'm sure I'm wrong, but the un-fixable problems seem to be in the story mode.

Patches could probably fix a lot of the buggy coding, but for it to be entirely effective, the game would essentially need a re-write. the biggest problems with the game are in it's game design itself, and in the fact they tried to cram in so many playstyles that none of them were ever plished or designed properly.

But bad stage design, forgettable set pieces, boring visuals, terrible mechanics and all of that go to show this game was a mess before it was even coded. The designers had no clue what they were doing.. heck, this game could be a lesson in BAD game design. It just doesn't work. That almost justifies it's existence because it is one of the biggest failures in gaming. Where other titles are CONSISTENTLY bad, this game gets worse and worse at every turn, in every aspect, and just when you think it could get no worse it surprises you constantly. That is almost what makes it fun, in the fact that if you have a lick of game design knowledge, you will learn so much while playing this game.

The story is bad but mostly because of fixable issues. It's the game itself that makes the.. well, the game, bad. And it would have been bad even if it was as polished as a game like Unleashed. It would have just been a really polished shit.
And patches would just take the problem away from glitches and people would begin to see why the game is just so naturally horrible by nature. It's a wretched child. And Sonic Team is better off giving it the Virtual Boy treatment.

And the fact they devoted so much time into making a big game- this game is MASSIVE- is also part of the reason. Did you know that.. there's a hard mode for every stage? There's also a two-player mode. and a SUPER HARD MODE TOO, AS DLC. And guess what? Every difficulty has a different stage layout. Do you know how many gameplay styles are in this game? If you include all of the characters, various vehicles and mechanics you can use, it tops over 12+ gameplay styles or something stupid like that. How many does Sonic adventure have? 6. How many does SA2 have? 4. How many does heroes have? 1, which minor differences to each team. How many does Generations have? 2. Colours? However many wisps there are.. but primarily, 1.
And every character has their own version of EVERY STAGE. Wow, their ambition was through the fucking roof, and you'll be playing this game straight for hours and hours, but NONE of it is good (Except the music and the CG). Heck, some of the styles are blatantly unfinished. No power gauge mechanics? Let's just ship it in god mode! Might as well have removed the HUD entirely.

Anyone would cream at being given that information, multiple gameplay styles, huge levels, lots of difficulties and layouts? Sign me up! but hold up.. wasn't this game in development for all of just a couple of years? And wasn't there porting issues because of Sony and Microsoft being douchebags? Wasn't there also a PC version which just got lost in the pipeline? Meh, it's Sonic, let's buy it anyway! It can't be that bad, I've played Shadow the hedgehog...
But no, this game singlehandedly crushed Sonic's reputation in one fell swoop and almost destroyed the franchise, I'm surprised all of Sonic Team didn't get fired.

Yet somehow, the game hit platinum in sales and enough money was made for the next game to be conceived..


I won't go too far like Clement did, but you'd have to be blind or stupidly loyal to like something like this if it's not just for the fact it is a good lesson in bad game design.

In conclusion, if SEGA tried to patch this gmae it would essentially dig them deeper into the grave they're already sitting in.

[jkid101094]

I won't go too far like Clement did

You pretty much just summarized the entire 7 part review. There are even parts I had to double check to see if you pulled them directly from it. =P

And yes, I know about the hard mode, super hard mode dlc and the multiplayer mode. Remember me complaining about that? =P

In Sonic Team's defense, though, they seemed to be at least be trying to go for 'more but better', it just ended up the complete opposite.

I will admit, trying to fit with the 7th generation 'realistic' trend was their first horrible mistake.

Thought I can't say any of this with certainty, having never actually played the game.

[Tanassy]

You pretty much just summarized the entire 7 part review. There are even parts I had to double check to see if you pulled them directly from it. =P

And yes, I know about the hard mode, super hard mode dlc and the multiplayer mode. Remember me complaining about that? =P

In Sonic Team's defense, though, they seemed to be at least be trying to go for 'more but better', it just ended up the complete opposite.

I will admit, trying to fit with the 7th generation 'realistic' trend was their first horrible mistake.

Thought I can't say any of this with certainty, having never actually played the game.

The "More but better" approach NEVER works. Make something consistent and fun, and if you have time, mess around with other playstyles.

What they did was just over the top ambitious. Not like it would have made the game any better with just the main trio in the first place.

[jkid101094]

The "More but better" approach NEVER works. Make something consistent and fun, and if you have time, mess around with other playstyles.

You wouldn't say Super Mario Bros. 3 or Sonic 3 and Knuckles don't hit 'more but better' right on the nose? They're both considered the best games in their franchises.

[Tanassy]

You wouldn't say Super Mario Bros. 3 or Sonic 3 and Knuckles don't hit 'more but better' right on the nose? They're both considered the best games in their franchises.

Super Mario Bros 3 was carefully developed and only contained a single character and mechanics and gimmicks revolving around the one character. They devoted a proper amount of time to a game rather than making something experimental, like SMB. So while you could consider it's certainly more and better, it's source wasn't exactly very broad to begin with.
Sonic 3 was two games, and is what happened when Sonic Team realised they were being too ambitious and released half a game and then another half later, especially due to time constraints.

While Sonic 3 did take the approach "More but better" the result was one fragmented game that costed twice as much. And that just sort of proves my point. If they had for example just worked on making the game suited for Sonic, it would have probably been a full release, but they didn't, they created alternate layouts and an entirely new playstyle along a wide range of acts, thus the game was quickly segmented, polished and released. On that note, be thankful it wasn't rushed out..

[Hakudamashi]

It's not Sonic adventure 3.

Internally, it was never an adventure game. It was designed with the idea in mind "What if Sonic were in real life" but never aligned with the adventure games, which is actually quite funny since they tried to pull so much over from it. This was one of the reasons they fell so hard, so many gameplay styles.

But you're just being foolish if you're going to keep saying it's Sonic Adventure 3, and I'm sorry, but you're just being an idiot by constantly arguing with someone who isn't going to stop calling you a dumbass. It doesn't get any less convincing either.

So you two fuckin' quit your whining you babies.

Must you kill the joy of everything?

[Tanassy]

Must you kill the joy of everything?

Must everyone be such assholes to each other?

[TheGameNinja]

and this arguing with each other is all off topic~

[Dax7]

 I like the PC Sonic Adventure 2 re-release but in overall I didn't enjoy playing this on the keyboard.
It's my first time playing this and it wasn't really what I expected from the prequel. Also the glitches, like dropping through the rails and homing attack issues are really annoying when I make speed runs.
  By the way this is the hardest Sonic game to have an A-rank in all stages. 

[silver13]

Sega should make a widescreen patch for Sonic Adventure DX on PS3 and 360. The border is annoying. :/
Post Merge: January 24, 2013, 06:25:28 PM