SEGA WANTS A 'NEW' SONIC FOR 2012
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With the release of Generations lots of fans thought that Sega was heading back in the classic direction. However Sega recently confirmed they have no intentions on bringing back classic Sonic! So many would assume that means a return of current Sonic maybe an Adventure 3, well apparently Sega has no intentions on continuing the current Sonic model either.
Sonic producer Takashi Iizuka outlined what he intends to do with everyone's favorite little blue hedgehog! "I would like to make a new standard Sonic, a modern Sonic if you will, in 2012 and beyond," That's right Sega is tired of Classic Sonic and sees no future in current Sonic. So for the third time in Sonic's history Sega intendeds to create a modern Sonic who will be the standard for the next generations to come.
So why did lizuka decide Sonic needs to be changed? "... There have been a lot of Sonic titles in the past, and I think, at this point, there's a pretty good idea of what a Sonic game should be like -- a fun, frenetic action game. As I said, I feel the need to surprise the fans in new and innovative ways, but I don't want to do anything to depart from that style. The color powers in Colors are a good example of that."
Lizuka talks about how Sonic collapsed saying a huge factor was the fact that their was no consistent producer. Tons of producers threw their ideas into the games and this created a lack of continuity. However Lizuka plans to change this by creating a new consistent and innovative Sonic while remaining true to the recipe that makes a Sonic game a Sonic game.
This sounds like a reboot to me. A new direction for an old character and series, a new Sonic to replace classic and modern Sonic in order to make Sonic relate better to the current crowd. The first game in this new Sonic series is rumoured to be coming for WiiU, Sega has commented confirming a Sonic game for WiiU that will feature four player multiplayer. If the game is a launch title or near launch it would be coming in Winter 2012 and on a next generation platform be the perfect way to launch a new Sonic.
Do you like the idea of a new Sonic? Or do you love Classic Sonic and want him to return? Or maybe you love current Sonic and want him to remain? What kind of changes do you think Sega and Lizuka will make to Sonic's image? Do you think the plot and local will change drastically? How do you think Sega could successfully create a new modern Sonic?
Source: destructoid.com
SONIC ADVENTURE 3 SEGA. HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE TELL YOU?!
My god... i was right. I knew that Generations was going to be the last of the 2006-2011 era. I saw this reboot coming for a while. The strange part is a four-player Sonic game? That's cutting it pretty close. Maybe TGN will get what he asked for (a dead Shadow). But this also implies no Might or Ray ever to be seen again. And finally, Sega says no Sonic Adventure 3.
Now we wait for the fanfags to complain about no classic sonic.
This is the end of sonic.
They won't necessarily reboot the franchise story-wise. It could just be a change in direction gameplay-wise, like the shift from the Genesis games to the Dreamcast ones or the older 3D games like the Adventure games, Heroes, etc. to the sort of on-rails style they're using more now.
Quote from: TheGameNinja on November 06, 2011, 08:21:11 AM
They won't necessarily reboot the franchise story-wise. It could just be a change in direction gameplay-wise, like the shift from the Genesis games to the Dreamcast ones or the older 3D games like the Adventure games, Heroes, etc. to the sort of on-rails style they're using more now.
I kinda hope they reconsider. Sonic is perfect the way he was in Generations, sans the cesspool of glitches.
i dont really see the need to make a new NEW sonic, the way he is right now is ok to me, but a 4 player mode is a really good idea.
I'd have to see where this goes.
Generations seemed fine.
But I agree with only wanting one developer. They need to have a single thing a stick with it.
Well I'm not gonna say anything about this until I see what the reboot looks like. Anyways I kinda fear that this new innovation may fail but let's hope for the best.
I think that Sonic should just hurry up and die if this is really their idea for the future. I prefer Sonic as it is now.
This is a mistake. Sonic doesn't need a redesign. Sonic Generations was a HUGE success as everyone can see. The biggest problem, and this is just my opinion, the lack of actual character development lately has been a real killer. I've said this many times before: Sonic has evolved past running and jumping solo. You can't introduce a ton of characters and then ignore them.
Everyone around here knows I'm an avid Sonamy supporter, but the way SEGA's been treating things lately, I may have to start going with Sonchilidog. <_< In the Jason Griffith era Sonic seemed to actually care about the feelings of his friends, not just the physical status of their friends.
Up until now, I have seen Sonic run from Amy, tolerate Amy, and in some rare cases I've seen him show slight reciprocal feelings for Amy, whether via embarrasment or concern. But Generations marked the first time I've ever seen Sonic shove his hand in her face and pretend she wasn't there just to keep her away.
Mind you I don't blame it entirely on Sonic. SEGA has lately taken all the characters and thrown away their unique characteristics and just made them background characters. Amy's personality has been warped, she was already Sonic obsessed, but now it's ludicrous. "I was so worried I'd never get to flirt with you again."
Remember, I'm a Sonamy fan, but that line made me feel like I understood Sonic's reasoning for pushing her away. I've heard Amy in her crazed state before, but that was ridiculous. Now Amy's nothing more than an annoyance to everyone, her relationship with her friends seems to have disappeared for the most part.
Knuckles doesn't seem to have anything to do except stand there. Shadow is the same. The only characters getting any real attention are Sonic, Tails, and Eggman. I understand that Generations was a Sonic and Tails only type of game, but not everything they do can be that way. Not anymore anyway.
After all that, I'd say I'm about done. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE what Sonic Generations did, but I honestly feel that if they don't start writing decent stories AND start developing the characters again, Sonic doesn't stand a chance of staying alive for long.
Quote from: EchidnaPower on November 06, 2011, 01:17:17 PM
This is a mistake. Sonic doesn't need a redesign. Sonic Generations was a HUGE success as everyone can see. The biggest problem, and this is just my opinion, the lack of actual character development lately has been a real killer. I've said this many times before: Sonic has evolved past running and jumping solo. You can't introduce a ton of characters and then ignore them.
Everyone around here knows I'm an avid Sonamy supporter, but the way SEGA's been treating things lately, I may have to start going with Sonchilidog. <_< In the Jason Griffith era Sonic seemed to actually care about the feelings of his friends, not just the physical status of their friends.
Up until now, I have seen Sonic run from Amy, tolerate Amy, and in some rare cases I've seen him show slight reciprocal feelings for Amy, whether via embarrasment or concern. But Generations marked the first time I've ever seen Sonic shove his hand in her face and pretend she wasn't there just to keep her away.
Mind you I don't blame it entirely on Sonic. SEGA has lately taken all the characters and thrown away their unique characteristics and just made them background characters. Amy's personality has been warped, she was already Sonic obsessed, but now it's ludicrous. "I was so worried I'd never get to flirt with you again."
Remember, I'm a Sonamy fan, but that line made me feel like I understood Sonic's reasoning for pushing her away. I've heard Amy in her crazed state before, but that was ridiculous. Now Amy's nothing more than an annoyance to everyone, her relationship with her friends seems to have disappeared for the most part.
Knuckles doesn't seem to have anything to do except stand there. Shadow is the same. The only characters getting any real attention are Sonic, Tails, and Eggman. I understand that Generations was a Sonic and Tails only type of game, but not everything they do can be that way. Not anymore anyway.
After all that, I'd say I'm about done. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE what Sonic Generations did, but I honestly feel that if they don't start writing decent stories AND start developing the characters again, Sonic doesn't stand a chance of staying alive for long.
I play games for the gameplay. The story isn't a big deal to me if the game is fun to play. SEGA is trying to please those who say there was too much story going on and go back to more gameplay.
Quote from: John Gillis on November 06, 2011, 01:36:44 PM
I play games for the gameplay. The story isn't a big deal to me if the game is fun to play. SEGA is trying to please those who say there was too much story going on and go back to more gameplay.
It's VERY true that gameplay is important, but it takes a combination of gameplay, story, and character development to make a truly memorable game. They used Classic Sonic as a crutch this time around, without him they're in trouble.
There's some games where story and character development matter, and then there's some where it should not be touched on. When Sonic became the former, a lot of people hated it. I love a good story and all, but in a Sonic game, it just doesn't seem to slot in for me. It's like SEGA were trying to hard to fit in with gaming trends. Generations is the perfect example of "Let's play a game, Win or lose."
heck, even the five hour story that was put on top of it was just to make sense out of the choice of concept.
Character development is useful in a game where you're MEANT to feel, and relate with your characters. You don't need to relate with Sonic, you just need to think he's a cool dude that can run really fast. End of story.
Quote from: EchidnaPower on November 06, 2011, 01:17:17 PM
Generations marked the first time I've ever seen Sonic shove his hand in her face and pretend she wasn't there just to keep her away
That was hilarious, fitting, and I want to see it again.
As a gamer, your opinion is correct.
As a writer...I'm ticked.
You don't read or watch Sonic, you play Sonic.
So it's really a gamer's point of view, no?
Quote from: Riko Sapphire on November 06, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
You don't read or watch Sonic, you play Sonic.
So it's really a gamer's point of view, no?
That all depends on your personal POV. As a fanfiction writer I greatly enjoy reading and watching Sonic-based stories/movies, as it helps me to become a better writer myself.
As a gamer I love smashing robots with high paced gameplay, but even then I never believed Sonic was a solo game. Sonic Heroes is my favorite game to date, because of the different ways the game allows you to approach the levels.
I've said it many times before (albeit I've compared it to many different things) and I'll say it again. I'm a writer, not a gamer. I've actually played very few of the games that have come out lately, but I love the characters, and I love writing and reading them.
I think you'd like Heavy Rain. Gameplay comes second to story in every way. Its actually debatable as to whether its actually a "game."
I don't mind a story in Sonic, but Sonic doesn't need to be deep. The older games gave you the majority of the story in the instruction booklet and gave very little else during the game until the ending. We could tell Tails and Sonic were buddies just by looking Sonic 2's title screen. I'm not saying that's what Sonic should return to, I'm just using it as proof that you can tell a good story with very little story used.
Yes, Sonic Generations was made from the beginning of the Classic series to the end of the Modern series. I hope this "new Sonic" isn't too bad or too drastic.
It's just a zelda four swords idea, don't forget a part of nintendo is also working on this. (At least, from what I've read on tssz) But if it's co-op I hope it's better than colors co-op looks nice, first it's really funny but later annoying if your friends exidently steps on your head.
And its standart sonic changes gameplay style: Classic, adventure, storybook, riders, hedgehog engine.
I'm kinda with Echidna Power
The story doesn't need to be deep, or dark, or complex, just either make a story that doesn't suck, or don't make one at all. Seriously, I've seen some bad stories in my life *cough*DBGT*cough* but the story in generations actually made me cringe in every cutscene...
As John said, you play a game for gameplay, not for story, that's what movies are for, but if the story is sooooo bad that is actually hinders the experience(which it did for me), then that's a problem.
Also, flesh out your characters, what's the f*cking point of adding any more than 5 characters in a game if they don't impact the story at all? One-dimensional characters are tolerable if the story ain't long(8 hours max I say) and if it's a single game, but this is a franchise we're talking about, these characters are gonna keep coming back again and again, if their characters aren't gonna be fleshed out, or impact the story in some significant fashion, then why add them at all? Why not stick to the cast you had b4?
I swear I'd sooner do another playthrough of Sonic 06 than even look at the storyboard of Generations >_>
And about this "news", Mario doesn't need to reboot for the new generation and neither does Sonic >=U
Quote from: windlessusher on November 08, 2011, 02:11:40 PM
And about this "news", Mario doesn't need to reboot for the new generation and neither does Sonic >=U
Mario isn't getting bad reviews for every game main platformer game that he is in now is he?
Quote from: SmashFinale on November 08, 2011, 02:32:11 PM
Mario isn't getting bad reviews for every game main platformer game that he is in now is he?
Neither did Devil May Cry or Banjo Kazooie, but they got reboots =/
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2006 2 CONFIRMED FOR 2012
Quote from: Elija2 on November 08, 2011, 02:50:38 PM
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2006 2 CONFIRMED FOR 2012
*fangasm*
I just LOOOVE loading screens!
Quote from: windlessusher on November 08, 2011, 02:11:40 PM
I'm kinda with Echidna Power
The story doesn't need to be deep, or dark, or complex, just either make a story that doesn't suck, or don't make one at all. Seriously, I've seen some bad stories in my life *cough*DBGT*cough* but the story in generations actually made me cringe in every cutscene...
As John said, you play a game for gameplay, not for story, that's what movies are for, but if the story is sooooo bad that is actually hinders the experience(which it did for me), then that's a problem.
Also, flesh out your characters, what's the f*cking point of adding any more than 5 characters in a game if they don't impact the story at all? One-dimensional characters are tolerable if the story ain't long(8 hours max I say) and if it's a single game, but this is a franchise we're talking about, these characters are gonna keep coming back again and again, if their characters aren't gonna be fleshed out, or impact the story in some significant fashion, then why add them at all? Why not stick to the cast you had b4?
I swear I'd sooner do another playthrough of Sonic 06 than even look at the storyboard of Generations >_>
And about this "news", Mario doesn't need to reboot for the new generation and neither does Sonic >=U
I agree with everything here. A cookie for you, Windle.
What? No cookie for me Jkid? I'm the one who said it in the first place. You wound me. =(
Quote from: EchidnaPower on November 09, 2011, 03:29:16 AM
What? No cookie for me Jkid? I'm the one who said it in the first place. You wound me. =(
I could have sworn I already gave you some. Have a brownie for my absent-mindedness.
Quote from: jkid101094 on November 09, 2011, 03:31:04 AM
I could have sworn I already gave you some. Have a brownie for my absent-mindedness.
Me no like chocolate. You have oatmeal raisin? *shot repeatedly*
Quote from: EchidnaPower on November 09, 2011, 03:35:22 AM
Me no like chocolate. You have oatmeal raisin? *shot repeatedly*
Oh yeah, I forgot. Chocolate is the devil's food. :P *shot*
And nope, sorry. I don't eat oatmeal. Raisins are yummy, though.
*Pokes section*
Umm... This is not "Food discussion"
I don't like seeing mods breaking rules...
Quote from: John Gillis on November 09, 2011, 06:50:52 AM
I don't like seeing mods breaking rules...
Couldn't agree more..
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I honestly still think this reboot..thing is going to be another addition to the sonic cycle. it just keeps going around and around. *Shrug*
Quote from: John Gillis on November 09, 2011, 06:50:52 AM
I don't like seeing mods breaking rules...
Neither do I. Sadly it tends to happen a lot.
Quote from: Riko Sapphire on November 09, 2011, 06:53:31 AM
I honestly still think this reboot..thing is going to be another addition to the sonic cycle. it just keeps going around and around. *Shrug*
I couldn't disagree more with this statement.
How can we know until we actually know something about it? Judging this when the only thing we know is that... SOMETHING is going to happen seems a bit unfair.
I've said it before but, personally, Griffith did it better.
Sonic is now an emotionless dick who has three settings, hungry, happy, or confused.
I'd rather not listen to more than one of them at the same time. According to TSSZ, he'll be splitting into different pieces.
However, the gameplay does sound somewhat interesting, perhaps a more 3d oriented game this time around.
Still, it sounds like we'll have another story flop on our hands.
People say the voice acting doesn't matter and you should "focus on the gameplay"
But honestly, it's hard to do that when I'm listening to a Sonic spouting awful one liners in between gameplay.
It's really hard for me to get immersed in an experience when every time a character opens their mouth, it's some cringe worthy humor for kids. I don't have a problem with that, but when they drag it into an otherwise fantastic game, and lower it to a good game that's a problem.
To be fair, I didn't think that there was a place for a good storyline in a nostolgia trip like Generations, but if this keeps up in more serious titles, I'll be rather displeased. IF there are more serious titles.
Still, it's too early to make assumptions yet, the writers might stop taking so many drugs before writing a storyline, and the cast might stop being so over the top.
Still, If SEGA is working with Nintendo on this one, like TSSZ stated, it should have some fantastic charm. Last time they worked together, they made one of the greatest racing games on a Nintendo console.
Quote from: jkid101094 on November 09, 2011, 06:56:20 AM
I couldn't disagree more with this statement.
For some reason I thought he meant Sonic Generations. God, I need sleep.
But as for the reboot I have to sorta agree with TGN. We can't really judge something we know nothing about, though, I always have my doubts.
Quote from: Elija2 on November 08, 2011, 02:50:38 PM
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 2006 2 CONFIRMED FOR 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22YWYAtcyEA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22YWYAtcyEA)
lol
Honestly, I can finally say I played it - and if they had good intentions of not rushing, Sonic 06's sequal (if it were to have one) could be a SUCCESSFUL 2012 game.
Quote from: Chris Silvano on November 09, 2011, 10:00:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22YWYAtcyEA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22YWYAtcyEA)
lol
Honestly, I can finally say I played it - and if they had good intentions of not rushing, Sonic 06's sequal (if it were to have one) could be a SUCCESSFUL 2012 game.
How can you sequel a reboot that never happened?
Quote from: Riko Sapphire on November 09, 2011, 10:01:43 AM
How can you sequel a reboot that never happened?
Good question.
Take Sonic 06 -sucked-
Sonic Unleashed -daytime yep, night-time could have been better-
Sonic Colors -I didn't like it but other people really did-
Whether you think so or not, I think maybe it wasn't "rebooted" but better yet transformed in each game to what Generations and later games could be.
Quote from: Chris Silvano on November 09, 2011, 10:09:49 AM
Sonic Colors -I didn't like it but other people really did-
I enjoyed colors, none of the stages were as good as the day stages from unleashed, but it was still a good time.
Quote from: supersonic196 on November 09, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
I enjoyed colors, none of the stages were as good as the day stages from unleashed, but it was still a good time.
Close to what I would say maybe - and the Cube and Hover wisps... don't get me started on those.
Quote from: Chris Silvano on November 09, 2011, 10:09:49 AM
Sonic Unleashed -daytime yep, night-time could have been better-
...Night-time was a fighter with Sonic and platforming. Not a Sonic game.
If you look at it that way, it was good.
Quote from: Jazz Nova on November 09, 2011, 11:24:42 AM
...Night-time was a fighter with Sonic and platforming. Not a Sonic game.
If you look at it that way, it was good.
By that logic, Sonic Adventure is 1/6 of a Sonic game, and Sonic Adventure 2 is 1/3 of a Sonic game
Wind, i noticed that you are a person that likes to take out his foes in a violent sometimes flashy way. And you like to do that in Platformers (Kirby, Werehog) and RPGs(Kingdom Hearts). While you do not mind playing complex games, i just notice that the game style you play as is violent kid-friendly gaming.
I'm dead.
Quote from: SmashFinale on November 09, 2011, 02:02:17 PM
Wind, i noticed that you are a person that likes to take out his foes in a violent sometimes flashy way.
You just now noticed that? lol
Quote from: SmashFinale on November 09, 2011, 02:02:17 PM
Wind, i noticed that you are a person that likes to take out his foes in a violent sometimes flashy way. And you like to do that in Platformers (Kirby, Werehog) and RPGs(Kingdom Hearts). While you do not mind playing complex games, i just notice that the game style you play as is violent kid-friendly gaming.
No, you're right, beat 'em up and fighting games are my fav genres. I get some kind of sick kick outta defeating enemies with some sense of style, or in "flashy ways" as you say.
I'm the kid who goes for an astral finish in Blazblue, a fatality in mortal kombat, defeating a boss with a special attack that ttakes up my whole mp gauge
Hell I'm even "satisfied" with Sonic doing those tricks in the air after he lands a homing attack on an Eggman robot as it gets knocked down and exploads
Just your profile pic of who I think is Rena makes me know that, Wind
Quote from: Kona-Chan~ on November 18, 2011, 06:38:41 PM
Just your profile pic of who I think is Rena makes me know that, Wind
...what?
That looks a lot like Rena from the anime (Higurashi) to me.....since I'm wrong just forget my earlier comment
You're not wrong, that's Rena.
Quote from: windlessusher on November 18, 2011, 06:39:50 PM
...what?
I'm pretty sure he's comparing the sadism of the character in your avi to your post Wind. I don't know much about Higarashi so I can't make any connections.
Anyway, we should probably get back on topic before the "super mods" bust in here.
Quote from: jkid101094 on November 19, 2011, 12:54:01 PM
Anyway, we should probably get back on topic before the "super mods" bust in here.
..Damn straight.
Anyhow, I think they shouldn't re-design sonic. They have tried their best to get Sonic back up, now that he is, I think it would be risky to change him. I mean, what if it ends up not being as good as the current model, it could disappoint people, meaning somewhat less sales. I personally like the current sonic the way he is, I could do without his current voice though.
Since nintendo helps on sonic dimensions it would be nice if they're going to use the ssbb model. I know the difference isn't too much, but I still prefer that model. :)
Quote from: windlessusher on November 09, 2011, 05:20:43 PM
No, you're right, beat 'em up and fighting games are my fav genres. I get some kind of sick kick outta defeating enemies with some sense of style, or in "flashy ways" as you say.
I'm the kid who goes for an astral finish in Blazblue, a fatality in mortal kombat, defeating a boss with a special attack that ttakes up my whole mp gauge
Hell I'm even "satisfied" with Sonic doing those tricks in the air after he lands a homing attack on an Eggman robot as it gets knocked down and exploads
Quote from: Kona-Chan~ on November 18, 2011, 06:38:41 PM
Just your profile pic of who I think is Rena makes me know that, Wind
Quote from: jkid101094 on November 19, 2011, 12:54:01 PM
I'm pretty sure he's comparing the sadism of the character in your avi to your post Wind. I don't know much about Higarashi so I can't make any connections.
Now I get it ^-^
Quote from: Kona-Chan~ on November 20, 2011, 04:17:32 AM
Anyhow, I think they shouldn't re-design sonic. They have tried their best to get Sonic back up, now that he is, I think it would be risky to change him. I mean, what if it ends up not being as good as the current model, it could disappoint people, meaning somewhat less sales. I personally like the current sonic the way he is, I could do without his current voice though.
Personally, character wise, I'm not happy with the current Sonic, they focus too much on his "don't give a f*ck" attitude =/
Quote from: windlessusher on November 20, 2011, 03:53:28 PM
Now I get it ^-^
Personally, character wise, I'm not happy with the current Sonic, they focus too much on his "don't give a f*ck" attitude =/
I meant that look wise, not personality. But, I totally agree with you about his current personality. I miss his attitude where he would play by his own rules but he actually cared and he spent less time making bad jokes and more time saving the world (basically his attitude in SA2)
Quote from: Kona-Chan~ on November 20, 2011, 04:03:43 PM
I meant that look wise, not personality. But, I totally agree with you about his current personality. I miss his attitude where he would play by his own rules but he actually cared and he spent less time making bad jokes and more time saving the world (basically his attitude in SA2)
I hated his attitude in SA2. He appeals to me much more now.. but maybe that's just because I'm an asshole.
Quote from: Riko Sapphire on November 20, 2011, 09:46:17 PM
I hated his attitude in SA2. He appeals to me much more now.. but maybe that's just because I'm an asshole.
You're an asshole and your opinions are utter shit but we love you anyway. *sniped*
Seriously Tana, you are awesome, even past your conduct and attitude..don't worry, I still love you (mutual way) anyhow,I think Sonic acts kinda like a dick now...
Sonic acts the way I've always expected him to act.
pffft... conduct and attitude. At least I get some love.
Quote from: Riko Sapphire on November 21, 2011, 03:45:21 AM
Sonic acts the way I've always expected him to act.
pffft... conduct and attitude. At least I get some love.
was that second part an insult? if so that makes me sad
Quote from: Kona-Chan~ on November 21, 2011, 04:37:14 AM
was that second part an insult? if so that makes me sad
No, no it wasn't... I already admitted I'm a selfish bastard, now I'm saying thanks for the love~ :3
..But that's Off-Topic.
I kinda think everyone said enough about this, there is no way to keep it on topic :3
Quote from: Kona-Chan~ on November 21, 2011, 05:43:13 AM
I kinda think everyone said enough about this, there is no way to keep it on topic :3
Did we talk about the multiplayer?
No, not really. I never thought of that. But I don't see how re-modeling sonic has anything to do with multiplayer.
I don't like the idea of this, why can they leave Sonic the way he is just like Nintendo did for Mario.
Honestly, I never got the point of reboots in the first place...
Quote from: windlessusher on December 16, 2011, 06:55:15 AM
Honestly, I never got the point of reboots in the first place...
I, very much, agree with you. Reboots are indeed very pointless. They only happen when the developers get no more ideas to create, thus leading to a fresh start. Sega will just drop back down to the bottom if they do this.
DAMN SEGA! We tell him to make Sonic Adventure 3, and they WON'T FREAKIN DO IT.NOW THEY WANNA REBOOT!SCREW SEGA!
Quote from: Pixelsondrugs on December 22, 2011, 10:18:34 AM
DAMN SEGA! We tell him to make Sonic Adventure 3, and they WON'T FREAKIN DO IT.NOW THEY WANNA REBOOT!SCREW SEGA!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Next-Gen_Box_Art.JPG/256px-Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Next-Gen_Box_Art.JPG)
Now stfu
Quote from: windlessusher on December 22, 2011, 08:07:54 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d1/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Next-Gen_Box_Art.JPG/256px-Sonic_the_Hedgehog_Next-Gen_Box_Art.JPG)
Now stfu
uh...wha?
Oh... So you reckon Sonic 06 was SA3. Come to think of it... there were some similarities. In that case, DAMN SEGA!WE WANTED THEM TO MAKE SA3 BUT THE SCREWED IT UP!
http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=174955
Quote from: jkid101094 on April 04, 2012, 03:36:22 PM
http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=174955
- Sonic Team and Sega are looking to better monetize Sonic
- potentially "massive" and "total" reboot
- Sega and Sonic Team are "committed" to the reboot
- speed, platforming, and surreal environments will remain
- Sonic and Dr. Eggman's rivalry will continue
- both characters may undergo a makeover
- everything else is up in the air and may see radical changes, including Tails
- may birth a new universe and characters
- new gameplay methods and gimmicks
- zones would be massively expanded and become their own world
- zones feature individual levels masked as missions
- idea likened to Burnout Paradise
- includes a brand-new engine
- photo-realism is of no concern
- may aggressively pursue a collection model as part of the reboot
- targeting the young audience that enjoys physical collectibles
- may require physical emblems and collectibles to unlock special features
- SEGA inspired by Skylanders' success
- physical toys and collectibles may have an interactive component with a new cartoon series
- may offer classic characters in-game as DLC
ALL OF MY WHY.
If... How could... Why would they...
This is frightening.
Quote from: supersonic196 on April 04, 2012, 03:41:42 PM
- Sonic Team and Sega are looking to better monetize Sonic
- potentially "massive" and "total" reboot
- Sega and Sonic Team are "committed" to the reboot
- speed, platforming, and surreal environments will remain
- Sonic and Dr. Eggman's rivalry will continue
- both characters may undergo a makeover
- everything else is up in the air and may see radical changes, including Tails
- may birth a new universe and characters
- new gameplay methods and gimmicks
- zones would be massively expanded and become their own world
- zones feature individual levels masked as missions
- idea likened to Burnout Paradise
- includes a brand-new engine
- photo-realism is of no concern
- may aggressively pursue a collection model as part of the reboot
- targeting the young audience that enjoys physical collectibles
- may require physical emblems and collectibles to unlock special features
- SEGA inspired by Skylanders' success
- physical toys and collectibles may have an interactive component with a new cartoon series
- may offer classic characters in-game as DLC
ALL OF MY WHY.
If... How could... Why would they...
This is frightening.
Hey, if it's a way to make money...even if it
is a reboot that doesn't mean they won't still do the classics...right?
Skylanders is a good game but uhh....
FUCK NO.
DO NOT WANT.
SEGA died.
Quote from: jkid101094 on April 04, 2012, 03:45:26 PM
Hey, if it's a way to make money...even if it is a reboot that doesn't mean they won't still do the classics...right?
This is SEGA. Not the SEGA from the dreamcast era; the SEGA that gave us Generations. And while Generations had fantastic gameplay, the writing and story was absolutely atrocious.
Sonic is now a douche, or extremely stupid, if you pick either one, it could be seen as accurate.
And now with threats of Sonic Team using skylanders as an example...
This was spyro then.
(http://www.spyrohints.com/images/0-spyro-pose-1.gif)
This is spyro now.
(http://thegamingliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/SPYRONEW.jpg)
Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?
Not to mention that Spyro hasn't been good since the PS1.
If these rumors are true, we'll have to buy separate objects to get certain things in the game we've already paid for. It's essentially Capcom's DiscLockedContent method, only you have to leave your house and buy some stupid plastic toy in order to get said disc locked content.
If this is what happens to Sonic, then I'm afraid Sonic is a lost cause. It looked as if SEGA had all the right ingredients for a rebirth of the series, they just needed some new writers to make sonic and friends look less stupid, and Sonic could once again be considered "cool"
But I guess it was too good to be true. If these rumors are true, I'll probably just stop playing Sonic games..
Um, I was with them up until the Skylanders stuff. Nothing against Skylanders, I've heard great things about it, but I don't see why or how Sonic fits into that model.
Yup, f*ck this reboot, f*ck the new Sonic, I hope you go bankrupt
"People actually like these Sonic games! So...let's do something completely different."
Quote from: supersonic196 on April 04, 2012, 04:00:48 PM
the writing and story was absolutely atrocious.
I still don't agree with this.
But everything else... eeeyeah... also, nice broken images you have there.
Quote from: Iris Sapphire on April 04, 2012, 04:17:51 PM
also, nice broken images you have there.
Close some of your tabs running flash. Chrome has been acting up like this since last week.
Quote from: supersonic196 on April 04, 2012, 04:12:35 PM
"People actually like these Sonic games! So...let's do something completely different."
Actually the sales of SG show that not many people still like Sonic.
Quote from: jkid101094 on April 04, 2012, 04:21:48 PM
Actually the sales of SG show that not many people still like Sonic.
Maybe if they released that Sonic Adventure 3 the fans have been asking for, and if the didn't f*ck up Sonic 4...
Quote from: supersonic196 on April 04, 2012, 04:19:58 PM
Close some of your tabs running flash. Chrome has been acting up like this since last week.
Nope.avi
This is my only chrome tab. Even on opera it's broken. :U
Quote from: Iris Sapphire on April 04, 2012, 04:25:38 PM
Nope.avi
This is my only chrome tab. Even on opera it's broken. :U
That's odd... They show up fine for me. Maybe you're strapped for memory? Doesn't matter anyway, it's merely a comparison of the PS1 spyro, and the fugly spyro of today.
Quote from: supersonic196 on April 04, 2012, 04:27:53 PM
That's odd... They show up fine for me. Maybe you're strapped for memory? Doesn't matter anyway, it's merely a comparison of the PS1 spyro, and the fugly spyro of today.
No. I'm not.
Even if I follow the image's link I get a message saying I'm not allowed to see the image. :l
Is it really soo hard to copy/paste Sonic 3&Knuckles and/or Sonic's playstlye of SA2 into another game and just add stuff to it?
Quote from: windlessusher on April 04, 2012, 04:42:56 PM
Is it really soo hard to copy/paste Sonic 3&Knuckles and/or Sonic's playstlye of SA2 into another game and just add stuff to it?
Actually, Yes. It is.
Quote from: windlessusher on April 04, 2012, 04:42:56 PM
Is it really soo hard to copy/paste Sonic 3&Knuckles and/or Sonic's playstlye of SA2 into another game and just add stuff to it?
It is for the same reason you can't play a Genesis game on a Gamecube.
Quote from: windlessusher on April 04, 2012, 04:50:37 PM
I don't follow...
Games need to be programmed differently to work on different systems, different formats need to be used, etc.
At least from how I understand it.
Quote from: windlessusher on April 04, 2012, 04:50:37 PM
I don't follow...
Quote from: jkid101094 on April 04, 2012, 04:52:48 PM
Games need to be programmed differently to work on different systems, different formats need to be used, etc.
At least from how I understand it.
Correct.
Every game has an engine. you can't port a play style into another engine. So if they were to copypasta S3's playstyle they would need to be using the same engine, meaning they would be making another game for genesis
You can however replicate them, but that's not the easiest thing to do in a 3D engine.
I mean like, look at Sonic 4...
Sonic 3& Knuckles, it's predecessor, on an older, I assume to be less powerful console offered 3 playable characters(4 if you count the Sonic & Tails combo), 14(I think) different zones each with 2 acts giving a total of 28(I think) levels, the ability to transform into super forms of each character once the chaos emeralds were collected AND a climactic super sonic boss battle at the end.
Sonic 4 offered 1 playable character, 4 zones with 3 acts each giving 12 levels, super sonic in regular stages... thats it =/. Throw in the fact that the physics are wonky and it's obvious which of the 2 is the superior game... and the PS3, Xbox360, Wii, PC and iPhone are supposedly more powerful than a Genesis...
Hell, Sonic Advance 1 on the GBA in my opinion is better than Sonic 4 =/
Quote from: windlessusher on April 04, 2012, 07:34:17 PM
I mean like, look at Sonic 4...
Sonic 3& Knuckles, it's predecessor, on an older, I assume to be less powerful console offered 3 playable characters(4 if you count the Sonic & Tails combo), 14(I think) different zones each with 2 acts giving a total of 28(I think) levels, the ability to transform into super forms of each character once the chaos emeralds were collected AND a climactic super sonic boss battle at the end.
Sonic 4 offered 1 playable character, 4 zones with 3 acts each giving 12 levels, super sonic in regular stages... thats it =/. Throw in the fact that the physics are wonky and it's obvious which of the 2 is the superior game... and the PS3, Xbox360, Wii, PC and iPhone are supposedly more powerful than a Genesis...
Hell, Sonic Advance 1 on the GBA in my opinion is better than Sonic 4 =/
Not to mention the music in both games is worlds better than 4's music.
I think Sonic 3 and Knuckles is overly complicated and boring. Then again, I hate the old school Sonic games. Adventure2B 4 life, yo.
Quote from: jkid101094 on April 05, 2012, 05:57:36 AM
I think Sonic 3 and Knuckles is overly complicated and boring. Then again, I hate the old school Sonic games. Adventure2B 4 life, yo.
(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/08/19/will-smith-is-confused.jpg)
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on April 05, 2012, 07:26:26 AM
(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/08/19/will-smith-is-confused.jpg)
Opinions. We all have them.
Anyway, look at the bright side. This reboot could mark the return of the Chao Garden. May be wishful thinking but still.
Quote from: jkid101094 on April 05, 2012, 07:32:24 AM
Opinions. We all have them.
Anyway, look at the bright side. This reboot could mark the return of the Chao Garden. May be wishful thinking but still.
Yay... a chao garden... but at what cost? ._.
The cost of your childhood, that's what.
Anyone remember the scene where Knuckles was owned by Amy in Generations? Rofl
Moving on, I think Sonic should stay the same. We don't want more pissed off fanboys. Also, Generations is my second favorite Sonic game of all time, next to Sonic 2.
Quote from: SuperSonic14 on April 21, 2012, 05:04:16 PM
Anyone remember the scene where Knuckles was owned by Amy in Generations?
Yes.
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/212/166/1323020628001.jpg)
I don't find Sonic's wacky antics amusing. At all. I sincerely hope that this reboot entails some better writing.
The reboot should be just that: a reboot. Not a reset. Sonic should change. At least somewhat. Everything should change to some degree. Some shouldn't change too much, like Sonic. Sonic should still be basically the same. Otherwise SEGA might as well just start a new franchise instead of rebooting Sonic's. But Sonic should still change in some ways. Other things will change drastically. The setting, the tone, anything like that could end up unrecognizable from the current canon. But what should not happen is just a reset. Just starting back from square one with the same exact everything would be wasted effort.
I would like to see a sense of freedom from SA & 06... and Unleashed somewhat.
Just with the fun playhouse gameplay from the stages.
Quote from: TheGameNinja on April 21, 2012, 06:10:41 PM
The reboot should be just that: a reboot. Not a reset. Sonic should change. At least somewhat. Everything should change to some degree. Some shouldn't change too much, like Sonic. Sonic should still be basically the same. Otherwise SEGA might as well just start a new franchise instead of rebooting Sonic's. But Sonic should still change in some ways. Other things will change drastically. The setting, the tone, anything like that could end up unrecognizable from the current canon. But what should not happen is just a reset. Just starting back from square one with the same exact everything would be wasted effort.
I can't take you seriously with that avatar x3
I think the rant video I posted about Knuckles applies here too. All the other characters have been made nothing more than support characters who make no actual impact on any plot. Even Tails has suffered from this point of view, as he's been made completely weak and incapable of defending himself, which we all know is not the case.
SEGA will get it right, when, believe it or not ladies and gentlemen...they take some focus OFF of Sonic, and start making the other characters important again! Sonic "purists" or whatever, don't even want SEGA to make new games, they just wanna hate on everything SEGA does, even when SEGA does what they ask.
Quote from: EchidnaPower on April 22, 2012, 12:55:34 AM
All the other characters have been made nothing more than support characters who make no actual impact on any plot. Even Tails has suffered from this point of view, as he's been made completely weak and incapable of defending himself, which we all know is not the case.
I agree with this.
It'd be nice if more people gave a shit about characters other than Sonic.
Does SEGA wonder why Blaze was such a well received character, but everyone else get's the hate?
Quote from: windlessusher on April 22, 2012, 05:48:37 AM
Does SEGA wonder why Blaze was such a well received character, but everyone else get's the hate?
Because furries like circle jerking to her?
Quote from: windlessusher on April 22, 2012, 05:48:37 AM
Does SEGA wonder why Blaze was such a well received character, but everyone else get's the hate?
Blaze didn't subtract from gameplay, she was essentially a female Sonic.
Quote from: supersonic196 on April 22, 2012, 07:52:25 AM
Blaze didn't subtract from gameplay, she was essentially a female Sonic.
And even though they made her MUCH slower than Sonic, she had other things to make up for it, like her hover ability and her forward air trick after a ramp/spring that launchers her far, and some other differences
Quote from: windlessusher on April 22, 2012, 07:57:22 AM
And even though they made her MUCH slower than Sonic, she had other things to make up for it, like her hover ability and her forward air trick after a ramp/spring that launchers her far, and some other differences
she was just as fast though in Rush / Rush Adventure - in 06 only in the 'speed' sections sonic was faster.
In Rush, Blaze was always a tad slower... You can tell especially when you play Multiplayer.
Quote from: Iris Sapphire on April 22, 2012, 09:14:24 PM
In Rush, Blaze was always a tad slower... You can tell especially when you play Multiplayer.
A tad? It was really noticeable for me ._.
But it didn't matter cause she had a bunch of other moves to make up for it.
All this proves was that Blaze was one success story out of like ten different character additions. The thing I personally think with Blaze is not that her moves make her unique, it's that a lot of Blaze is somewhat of a mystery, she was never really open, she's very tough, she's what every strong-willed female on Earth would be like, so maybe she has that sort of fanbase, I dunno.
All of the females of the Sonic world had been either weak or somewhat "evil", not gonna say Rouge is EVIL but she IS self-seeking more than anything else. Blaze was the first true heroine of the Sonic world, and that made fans happy. Amy was the first girl character, but she isn't depicted as a heroine, SA was Amy's only true shining moment, after that she started going downhill. Rouge has been pretty much the same all her existence, Cream is a child, no one cares about her, Marine is annoying...Blaze is the ONLY female character who can hold her own as well as Sonic can.
Now what this does for the "reboot" of Sonic, I don't know. My fear is that SEGA continues to take focus off of the others and just go back to Sonic all by himself. They might as well reboot in the sense that they pull out the old SEGA Genesis consoles and start making brand new games for that ancient machine, of course given Sonic's fanbase, that might be their best bet for success since nobody likes the "new" Sonic.
SEGA needs to hire better writers, get the other characters back to where they were originally meant to be. Tails needs to be important again, Knuckles needs to be badass again, Amy needs to get a seperate agenda besides marrying Sonic like she had in Sonic Adventure, and for the unfortunate characters (with the exception of Blaze) that were introduced during Sonic's initial downfall, they need to be given real personalities, become actual assets, and become supporting characters that can hold their own in their own unique way. We don't need comedy relief characters, that's what Big the Cat is for.
Quote from: EchidnaPower on April 24, 2012, 04:57:59 AM
SEGA needs to hire better writers, get the other characters back to where they were originally meant to be. Tails needs to be important again, Knuckles needs to be badass again, Amy needs to get a seperate agenda besides marrying Sonic like she had in Sonic Adventure, and for the unfortunate characters (with the exception of Blaze) that were introduced during Sonic's initial downfall, they need to be given real personalities, become actual assets, and become supporting characters that can hold their own in their own unique way. We don't need comedy relief characters, that's what Big the Cat is for.
Shadow can use a variety of chaos powers with only a single chaos emerald
Silver has motherf*cking psychic powers, you really need nothing more...
Rouge is the only actual martial artist, and she can both glide(Sonic Adventure 2) and fly(Sonic Heroes)
Jet, Wave and Storm can keep their appearances soley in the Sonic Riders spin-off franchise
E-123 Omega can be EXACTLY as Gamma was in Sonic Adventure, I know I wouldn't complain...
Espio is a f*cking ninja
Vector has that bubble gum thing going on, and he's strong, and apparently a detective...
F*ck Charmy and bring back Mighty
If the reboot is going to be like what a reboot usually is, then all of the characters would be gone. They could be reintroduced later, but "reboot" tends to mean starting over from scratch. Like the new Tomb Raider game. Same basic character of Lara Croft, but they're resetting the universe and starting it off in a different way.
Quote from: EchidnaPower on April 24, 2012, 04:57:59 AM
They might as well reboot in the sense that they pull out the old SEGA Genesis consoles and start making brand new games for that ancient machine
YES.
Quote from: TheGameNinja on April 24, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
If the reboot is going to be like what a reboot usually is, then all of the character would be gone. They could be reintroduced later, but "reboot" tends to mean starting over from scratch. Like the new Tomb Raider game. Same basic character of Lara Croft, but they're resetting the universe and starting it off in a different way.
You mean like how Sindel killed everyone in the Mortal Kombat reboot?
Wait, does that mean they'll actually be in Mobius?
Quote from: windlessusher on April 24, 2012, 11:47:15 AM
Shadow can use a variety of chaos powers with only a single chaos emerald
Silver has motherf*cking psychic powers, you really need nothing more...
Rouge is the only actual martial artist, and she can both glide(Sonic Adventure 2) and fly(Sonic Heroes)
Jet, Wave and Storm can keep their appearances soley in the Sonic Riders spin-off franchise
E-123 Omega can be EXACTLY as Gamma was in Sonic Adventure, I know I wouldn't complain...
Espio is a f*cking ninja
Vector has that bubble gum thing going on, and he's strong, and apparently a detective...
F*ck Charmy and bring back Mighty
I know they can do that stuff Wind, my point was that SEGA seems to have FORGOTTEN they can do that stuff. And Knuckles USED TO be a martial artist too, he lost that due to SEGA's downsizing all the characters not named Sonic.
Quote from: EchidnaPower on April 24, 2012, 01:32:13 PM
And Knuckles USED TO be a martial artist too,
Was he? He looked like he was just throwing punches around without any definite style other than looking like a muscle man...
Well, there was his 1-2-shoryuken combo in Sonic Advance 1&2...
Quote from: windlessusher on April 24, 2012, 02:05:45 PM
Was he? He looked like he was just throwing punches around without any definite style other than looking like a muscle man...
Well, there was his 1-2-shoryuken combo in Sonic Advance 1&2...
Didnt he do some of those fight moves in that tournament in sonic x until rouge kissed him and he fainted?
Quote from: {Your Lovely Kyo}~ on April 24, 2012, 08:49:38 PM
Didnt he do some of those fight moves in that tournament in sonic x until rouge kissed him and he fainted?
That was Tails...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwgSCwQz0ME (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwgSCwQz0ME)
Quote from: windlessusher on April 25, 2012, 02:35:11 AM
That was Tails...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwgSCwQz0ME (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwgSCwQz0ME)
Oh, so it was Sidekick #1 not Sidekick #2, my fault. sorry.
In some of the old games it explained he was a skilled martial artist, it was an old character bio.
Quote from: EchidnaPower on April 25, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
In some of the old games it explained he was a skilled martial artist, it was an old character bio.
This is true.
Quote from: EchidnaPower on April 25, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
In some of the old games it explained he was a skilled martial artist, it was an old character bio.
Well he displayed it poorly
Quote from: EchidnaPower on April 26, 2012, 02:46:40 PM
HE didn't. SEGA did.
Or maybe SEGA shouldn't have said Knuckles was a martial artist in the first place...
Quote from: windlessusher on April 26, 2012, 02:49:19 PM
Or maybe SEGA shouldn't have said Knuckles was a martial artist in the first place...
Yeah.
Knuckles was always shown as a powerhouse, not a sleek fighter.
i think sonic current model is the best(modern sonic!) why do they change Sonic models?but like the four player....i like to play with my sister :D